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From Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: April report filed
Date Mon, 22 Apr 2013 02:02:21 GMT
On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:

>
> On Apr 20, 2013, at 7:53 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Does http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2013 match what was reported
> >> to the board?
> >>
> >
> > No, because people persist in modifying the wiki after I submit it --
> this
> > is a much more prevalent action than last-minute commits into the
> official
> > board agenda.
> >
> > Perhaps we need a disclaimer that the wiki is just a scratchpad and not
> > 'for the record', or perhaps we need a way to make the report pages
> > read-only once the submission happens, or perhaps we need people to read
> my
> > email when I announce when I'm going to post the report.
>
> It all seemed very rushed. Perhaps we need a clearer schedule in advance.


A series of reminders go out via Marvin long in advance. And then, a few
days before the board's deadline, I state the latest possible time for me
to post it to svn to give people as much time as possible.

I wait until very late in the cycle to create commentary in the front so
that (a) the rest of the community gets the first opportunity to create
that content, and (b) it can reflect the content of the late-arriving
podling reports.

Some people are on the record as feeling that the
reminder/notification/deadline process for podling reports asks for the
reports too soon as things are. I very much doubt that reminding all and
and sundry of the eventual board deadline one more time per month will
change any behavior.

You seem to have abandoned shepherd appointments.
>

Yup. The community took a strong position that I should not appoint
shepherds -- that shepherding should self-organize.


>
> My real issue has nothing to do with whether changes were made before or
> after and is more to do with my surprise that the board accepted such an
> incomplete report.
>

I can't speak for the board's taste in reports.


>
> There was nothing much written about the state of various podlings.
> Nothing was mentioned about podlings like ODF Toolkit's failure to report.
>

I  could dig you out specific commentary from community members (I think
including at least one current board member) to the effect that the best
way to report that a podling didn't report was to simply have the report
contain their lack of a report.


> We should make a better effort for May. We should ask ODF Toolkit to
> report out of cycle.
>

By all means, send them a poke to that effect.


>
> Regards,
> DAve
>
> >
> >
> >>
> >> If not would someone update the wiki?
> >>
> >> I ask because there are podlings like ODF Toolkit that did not report.
> >> Some action is needed on our part.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> On Apr 12, 2013, at 8:49 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) wrote:
> >>
> >>> No problem you got it!
> >>>
> >>> Just didn't want to step on anyone's toes.
> >>>
> >>> Adding now!
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Chris
> >>>
> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >>> Senior Computer Scientist
> >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> >>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> >>> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com>
> >>> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org
> >
> >>> Date: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:46 AM
> >>> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: April report filed
> >>>
> >>>> In case that sounded harsh, which was not intended:
> >>>>
> >>>> I have a meeting in 15 minutes that i Need to prepare for, and then
> I'm
> >>>> off
> >>>> to go home, collect my entourage, and go to the airport to fly to
> >>>> Portland.
> >>>> So I'd be _grateful_ if you'd commit it yourself.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Benson Margulies
> >>>> <bimargulies@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Chris,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You have access to commit to the board agenda, so why don't you
just
> >> put
> >>>>> it there yourself?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --benson
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) <
> >>>>> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hey Benson et al.,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sorry I will get the Climate report on the wiki in the next
few
> hours.
> >>>>>> If possible, I would like it to be included in this month's
report.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sorry about it being late.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>> Chris
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> >>>>>> Senior Computer Scientist
> >>>>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> >>>>>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> >>>>>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> >>>>>> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> >>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
> >>>>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> >>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com>
> >>>>>> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <
> >> general@incubator.apache.org>
> >>>>>> Date: Friday, April 12, 2013 3:59 AM
> >>>>>> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
> >>>>>> Subject: April report filed
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I committed the April report. Since no one added any releases
to
> this
> >>>>>>> report, there are no releases listed. I removed the mention
of
> Onami
> >>>>>> as
> >>>>>>> graduating since there is no motion to establish an Onami
PMC on
> the
> >>>>>>> agenda. If someone adds one please add it to the Incubator
repot
> >>>>>> header.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There is no report for Open Climate Workshop; there might
be other
> >>>>>> missing
> >>>>>>> reports.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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