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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 21:32:14 +0400
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Subject: Re: Identifying and removing inactive mentors
From: Alexei Fedotov <alexei.fedotov@gmail.com>
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At Openmeetings we spent some time looking for mentors, and every mentor
really helped at some point.

Upayavira's letter reminds me to say thanks to @Andrus, @Egor and @Ross.
24.03.2013 21:21 =D0=BF=D0=BE=D0=BB=D1=8C=D0=B7=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=
=B5=D0=BB=D1=8C "Upayavira" <uv@odoko.co.uk> =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=
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> I have mentored at least two podlings where I am the only active mentor.
> One had six mentors on the list, but I was the only one actually paying
> any attention. We're not talking about occasional absenteeism, we're
> talking not having participated since the beginning of the podling. One
> podling I note two of the mentors don't even appear to be subscribed to
> the dev list.
>
> I didn't sign up to being the *only* mentor. I'm not convinced that
> having only me as a mentor is best for the project. Fortunately, there's
> another ASF member who watches and chimes in, which I really appreciate.
>
> So sure, let's not force out people who are having a bad month or
> something, but surely we should only be listing as mentors those that
> are actually paying some attention to the podling?
>
> Upayavira
>
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2013, at 11:59 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> > I'd suggest a different approach, the motivation for this suggestion is
> > that I don't believe having inactive mentors is a problem if there is a=
n
> > active one available. Everyone gets busy occasionally, should we really
> > be
> > kicking them off a podling when they have already expressed interest? A=
t
> > next months report they might be the one who is active. They may have
> > been
> > active in the two months between reports. Etc.
> >
> > In my opinion there is only a problem if nobody is looking or if the
> > podling community feels they are not getting the support they need.
> >
> > I therefore suggest reaching out to the podling rather than passing
> > judgement on the mentors.
> >
> > Ross
> >
> >
> >
> > On 23 March 2013 10:23, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com> wrote=
:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I know at least one podling where 75% of the mentors is awol. We don'=
t
> > > have an oversight on the "awol"-state, just the shepherds do know for
> > > the projects they shepherd.
> > >
> > > We have status reports, which should be signed by all mentors. I
> > > believe reading, verifying and signing a podling report is not so muc=
h
> > > work and it is the least a mentor should do.
> > >
> > > My proposal:
> > >
> > > We should contact all Mentors who have not signed a report 2 times in
> > > a row if they are still committed to their role. If we get no respons=
e
> > > within a week, we should remove them as a mentor from podlings.xml (o=
r
> > > give them an inactive flag). With this information clutch can report
> > > projects which do not have sufficient mentors.
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > > Christian
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://www.grobmeier.de
> > > https://www.timeandbill.de
> > >
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> >
> > --
> > Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
> > Programme Leader (Open Development)
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