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From Dave Fisher <>
Subject Re: Identifying and removing inactive mentors
Date Mon, 25 Mar 2013 20:47:29 GMT

On Mar 25, 2013, at 2:17 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Upayavira <> wrote:
>> ...Simple rule. If mentors don't sign two reports in a row,
>> shepherd checks they are subscribed to the dev list, and then contacts
>> them asking if they still want to be involved. If they don't answer,
>> then the shepherd goes to the podling private list, and tells them that
>> mentor x is not responding - and allows them to act as they wish (most
>> likely seeking an additional mentor)....
> That's a lot of work for the shepherd IMO - my proposal to just have
> the podling find out if they have adequate mentoring might be a bit
> extreme, but if we ask for an opinion on that in the podling reports
> we should still be fine, don't you think so?

As a shepherd (like many I missed last time, sorry one of those things), I like looking at
a different flock/podling each time. The diversity is very cool.

I look to see if the podling looks healthy and see if the report indicates if they are moving
towards graduation and making a release.

In these discussions let's not forget why three mentors are needed and why they should all
be IPMC members, this is so that three +1 IPMC release votes are possible.

Simple signs of not enough mentors:

- Cannot get releases passed.
- Cannot get IPMC signoff on Committer and PPMC votes.

> It should be relatively easy for the shepherd to check that the
> podling as at least one active mentor, and that mentor should feel
> free to ask for help if they feel they need it.

Yes, reviewing the private and dev lists should give that answer quickly. I would have to
review my shepherd reports, but I think that podlings are more likely to have a release, community
or infra issue than a mentor issue. 

One thing that Flex did was to use a [MENTOR] tag on emails when they wanted our advice. This
helped given the huge volume of emails. Of the four mentors, three were active ...

I'm not mentoring at the moment, and won't until I think I have the time. MemoryMap is interesting,


> -Bertrand
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