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From Joseph Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus
Date Thu, 28 Mar 2013 13:25:23 GMT
Waah.  Look this just DEFINES consensus as 75% instead
of the old 100%.  It doesn't throw consensus out the window.
Please stop with all of these exaggerations and try to
self-moderate- half of the volume in these debates is all
you talking to yourself.


On Mar 28, 2013, at 9:18 AM, ant elder <ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Benson Margulies
> <bimargulies@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It appears to me that we have a consensus here on using a majority system
>> with a 3/4 supermajority. I'd like to establish the existence of this
>> consensus with a minimum of fuss, and begin to stop wasting everyone's
>> time. Our goal here is to achieve consensus, not to hold votes. So, I'm
>> going to treat this as a lazy consensus issues. I'm going to watch this
>> thread for an additional 72 hours. If anyone objects to this consensus,
>> send along a brief summary of your objection with a -1. If there are, in
>> fact, substantive objections, I'll organize a separate vote process to
>> resolve this. Please do not debate objections here, we'll do that later if
>> we have to. Everyone's had a fair opportunity to state their opinion, so
>> the only thing we're doing now is ensuring that no one is harboring a
>> serious objection that I have somehow overlooked. Acquiescing in this
>> process does not prejudice the discussion of changing the PMC.
>> 
> 
> I'd prefer we stick with consensus but not enough to vote against this.
> 
> However as no one has mentioned this I do think its worth pointing out
> that when using supermajority instead of consensus or simple majority
> then the phrasing of the vote becomes important.
> 
> Eg. Say 16 people participate in a vote then:
> "Throw the guy out" needs 5 -1s to stop it happening
> "Let the guy stay" needs 12 +1s to make it happen.
> 
>   ...ant
> 
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