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From Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com>
Subject Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus
Date Sat, 23 Mar 2013 20:02:56 GMT
Hi,

following a thread on private@, I would like to bring the discussion
on how we vote on nominated IPMC members.

We had the case were one person was nominated and received three +1.
Another voter had concerns an voted -1. The vote has been marked as
failed, because no consensus could be found.

Now this was my understanding and I was surprised that the vote failed:

"Votes on procedural issues follow the common format of majority rule
unless otherwise stated."
http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html

Joe brought this up before around 14 months:
http://s.apache.org/majorityinipmc

We have not found a consens, but one might highlight Roy Fieldings e-mail:
http://s.apache.org/royCommitterVeto

I still think like Joe and feel that consensus should not apply in the
IPMC. We are way to different to normal PMCs. As IPMC members we have
no code which we can veto. Its all about accepting podlings,
discussing rules and mentoring.

We also have 172 IPMC members to date (according committer index).
Most of the people are not seen often; we have many awol mentors.
Currently becoming an IPMC member is necessary to become a Mentor. It
always felt wrong to me. I think one should be able to become a Mentor
and finally be able to join the IPMC and discuss rules, when he has
shown merit.

With an IPMC of that size it becomes more and more easy to get a -1.

Personally I would like to see the IPMC separating IPMC-ship and
Mentor-ship. I have proposed this already, but it seems nobody else
except me wants that. So I am proposing now to reconsider Joes
original proposal and change our community voting to a majority voting
unless we restructure the IPMC.

I am sorry to bring this lengthy discussion up again, but from the
original thread I have learned a couple of other IPMC members are
thinking similar on majority / consensus.

I would also like to suggest that this time we finish the discussion
with a vote.

Cheers
Christian

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