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From ant elder <>
Subject Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus
Date Thu, 28 Mar 2013 13:56:24 GMT
No what it means Joe is that who chooses the wording of the vote gets
a lot of control the outcome.


On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Joseph Schaefer <> wrote:
> Waah.  Look this just DEFINES consensus as 75% instead
> of the old 100%.  It doesn't throw consensus out the window.
> Please stop with all of these exaggerations and try to
> self-moderate- half of the volume in these debates is all
> you talking to yourself.
> On Mar 28, 2013, at 9:18 AM, ant elder <> wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Benson Margulies
>> <> wrote:
>>> It appears to me that we have a consensus here on using a majority system
>>> with a 3/4 supermajority. I'd like to establish the existence of this
>>> consensus with a minimum of fuss, and begin to stop wasting everyone's
>>> time. Our goal here is to achieve consensus, not to hold votes. So, I'm
>>> going to treat this as a lazy consensus issues. I'm going to watch this
>>> thread for an additional 72 hours. If anyone objects to this consensus,
>>> send along a brief summary of your objection with a -1. If there are, in
>>> fact, substantive objections, I'll organize a separate vote process to
>>> resolve this. Please do not debate objections here, we'll do that later if
>>> we have to. Everyone's had a fair opportunity to state their opinion, so
>>> the only thing we're doing now is ensuring that no one is harboring a
>>> serious objection that I have somehow overlooked. Acquiescing in this
>>> process does not prejudice the discussion of changing the PMC.
>> I'd prefer we stick with consensus but not enough to vote against this.
>> However as no one has mentioned this I do think its worth pointing out
>> that when using supermajority instead of consensus or simple majority
>> then the phrasing of the vote becomes important.
>> Eg. Say 16 people participate in a vote then:
>> "Throw the guy out" needs 5 -1s to stop it happening
>> "Let the guy stay" needs 12 +1s to make it happen.
>>   ...ant
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