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From Joseph Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus
Date Wed, 27 Mar 2013 22:14:42 GMT
This whole exercise is pointless.  Just drop the notion of vetoes for all IPMC votes and carry
on as before.
Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 27, 2013, at 6:11 PM, Niall Pemberton <niall.pemberton@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rvs@apache.org> wrote:
>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> One alternative to going for full-on majority voting is to recognize that a
>>> larger group is much more likely to have "noisy vetoes" by requiring that
>>> successful votes have n positive votes and m negative votes subject to some
>>> condition on n and m.  Majority requires n > m, strict Apache consensus
>>> requires n >= 3 and m == 0.  It is easy to imagine other conditions such as
>>> n >= 4 and m <= 2 which still have some of the flavor of consensus in that
>>> a minority can block a decision, but allow forward progress even with
>>> constant naysayers or occasional random vetoes.
>> 
>> Personally, I'd suggest keeping these options in our backpocket
>> and turning back to considering them in case a simple majority
>> proposal runs into an opposition somehow. At this point, I'd rather
>> try a simple solution first.
> 
> I was in favour of simple majority - but a vote passing with, for
> example 9+1 and 8-1 is as bad IMO as a vote failing because of alot of
> +1 and only one -1.
> 
> So I've changed my mind on this - I think it should be 3/4 majority.
> This avoids a small minority stopping something, but also doesn't
> completely throw out consensus.
> 
> Niall
> 
>> Thanks,
>> Roman.
>> 
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