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From Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus
Date Thu, 28 Mar 2013 17:01:10 GMT
Yes your logic is flawed- what you are actually
arguing for is majority voting not consensus voting,
and bringing the criterion down from 100% to 
75% only helps mitigate your concerns.

As Doug points out, votes are structured away
from the status quo- we don't ever vote to 
continue on with previously agreed to issues
just to circumvent the voting process.





>________________________________
> From: ant elder <ant.elder@gmail.com>
>To: general@incubator.apache.org 
>Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 12:29 PM
>Subject: Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus
> 
>On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Joseph Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> No more so than they already had.
>>
>
>It does Joe, let me give you a more clear example.
>
>Lets imagine i've done something that you deem shows i'm a terrible
>incubator mentor, and its not the first time.
>
>There's a big debate within the PMC, no clear consensus, so in the end
>you say enough is enough and call a vote to remove me so i don't do
>any more damage - a vote on removing ant.
>
>With this new supermajority approach you'd need 75% or more of voters
>to agree with you to get me gone.
>
>Alternatively, you could say enough is enough and to end the debate
>you're going to call a vote to demonstrate i've the PMCs support - a
>vote on letting ant stay on. That sounds like you're being nice, but
>in fact you're being clever, because now you only need 25% of voters
>to vote -1 and i'm gone.
>
>25% is much easier to get than the 75% in the previous vote example.
>
>The problem here i think is that the policy is being rushed through
>and people are only thinking of the voting people to the PMC case
>whereas the policy is going to apply much more widely that  - to all
>votes on personal matters - so lots of scope for wording bias.
>
>Isn't this the case? Apologies in advance for the noise if my logic is
>screwed up somewhere.
>
>   ...ant
>
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