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Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:58:28 -0500
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Subject: Re: No more existing-TLP graduations (was: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the
 Apache Incubator)
From: Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com>
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On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
<chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Hi Benson,
>
>
> On 2/26/13 2:17 PM, "Benson Margulies" <bimargulies@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>><bdelacretaz@apache.org> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> ...I'd like to suggest two changes:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Incubation is for new TLPs only. Turn off the "graduate-into-TLP"
>>>>option.
>>>>
>>>> 2) Move the "short form" IP clearance to Legal Affairs, to clarify that
>>>> we're only talking IP, rather than other concerns....
>>>
>>> +1 to both, assuming Legal Affairs accepts 2)
>>
>>Guys, this was my point a few weeks ago, and the question I posed to
>>the board. Did the board discuss it at the meeting, or is that part of
>>the board meeting happening here?
>
> And it was my point during the whole HCatalog thing too. And Greg's when
> it was
> discussed during the board meeting. So yes, I think that's what we're
> discussing
> here.
>
>>
>>I think that there are several hairs worth splitting here.
>>
>>1. Merging into a TLP is a possible outcome for a podling, even when
>>the initial intention is to graduate independently. Even if we
>>eliminate this as a starting intention, we should clarify how we
>>expect this to happen. My prior email suggested a very low-overhead
>>view of such events.
>
> It's my intention that that *should not be a possible outcome for a
> podling*.
> And just because we never said it explicitly (or maybe we did), that
> doesn't
> mean it was universally accepted either. You can gauge this by pure
> numbers of
> how many podlings have went this route (comparatively few).


Chris, I am now confused. If a podling bogs down, and then finds that
there is a congenial home for the code in an existing project, what's
your desire? My suggestion that the existing project just adopt them
with no formal graduation? Something else?

>
>>
>>2. If an existing TLP wants to incorporate an existing non-Apache
>>community, the incubator _might_ might serve a useful role. Or, not.
>>I'm also perfectly happy to tell that TLP to make a branch and grant
>>some commit access and vote status as appropriate as things proceed,
>>which is how I'd restate your views.
>
> Right, not sure the views need restating. I think they've been stated
> fairly clearly
> so far.
>
>>
>>3. We do have a group of people with some minimal, observed,
>>willingness to pay some attention to IP clearance. Legal affairs,
>>well, is more of a talking-shop. So I'd expect Sam to want some
>>helpers before he'd accept this.
>
> How about we start letting people talk for themselves? I sense an
> inclination at least
> in this email to not do that :)

Sorry. Point taken.

>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -Bertrand
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