Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0FF4DD692 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:17:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 46114 invoked by uid 500); 26 Feb 2013 22:17:44 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 45928 invoked by uid 500); 26 Feb 2013 22:17:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 45920 invoked by uid 99); 26 Feb 2013 22:17:44 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:17:44 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of bimargulies@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.47 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.214.47] (HELO mail-bk0-f47.google.com) (209.85.214.47) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 22:17:37 +0000 Received: by mail-bk0-f47.google.com with SMTP id jc3so2085538bkc.20 for ; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 14:17:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Fwywk1xcimHeJeorwueakg5M1oHeAW7zo+o6xQrmdS0=; b=yqgfqhI/DTUmWDngNVbGmLukoEEnuaXGTeb3hC/yxNCzYOiGb5GkUHioRR0C4mifVT XTew3deJshEJQVZqm8aYc7qUrQTn166ve/FmusjG46qjkl0ZUpYSnVj5rgnjpb7FfCkf pbIY/zW5cnFf4d20cO+rVFpcoYMtVHv8vt55jgAISZok4gBvmqFxr+6FWaKFVMrf3/B7 6SmraIgeXmZE/7EpJcC8rcQPElzoxRtwmHzjJP8ftmEkshqqR+J81rLV2rjjkDzhxm8N WSMhiewiKLyXPZD1Wgg/gY4quTyBhk31Y05oWPsnC7aZBFXFOMbXO9jUNN4804oPs5Ug 6j3g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.204.156.206 with SMTP id y14mr7363733bkw.34.1361917036318; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 14:17:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.35.199 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 14:17:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 17:17:16 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: No more existing-TLP graduations (was: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator) From: Benson Margulies To: "general@incubator.apache.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Greg Stein wrote: >> ...I'd like to suggest two changes: >> >> 1) Incubation is for new TLPs only. Turn off the "graduate-into-TLP" option. >> >> 2) Move the "short form" IP clearance to Legal Affairs, to clarify that >> we're only talking IP, rather than other concerns.... > > +1 to both, assuming Legal Affairs accepts 2) Guys, this was my point a few weeks ago, and the question I posed to the board. Did the board discuss it at the meeting, or is that part of the board meeting happening here? I think that there are several hairs worth splitting here. 1. Merging into a TLP is a possible outcome for a podling, even when the initial intention is to graduate independently. Even if we eliminate this as a starting intention, we should clarify how we expect this to happen. My prior email suggested a very low-overhead view of such events. 2. If an existing TLP wants to incorporate an existing non-Apache community, the incubator _might_ might serve a useful role. Or, not. I'm also perfectly happy to tell that TLP to make a branch and grant some commit access and vote status as appropriate as things proceed, which is how I'd restate your views. 3. We do have a group of people with some minimal, observed, willingness to pay some attention to IP clearance. Legal affairs, well, is more of a talking-shop. So I'd expect Sam to want some helpers before he'd accept this. > > -Bertrand > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org