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Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] HCatalog to Graduate and become part of Apache
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From: Alan Gates <gates@hortonworks.com>
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FYI, at this point based on Benson and Roy's feedback I have been =
considering this vote closed and passed.  We're moving forward with the =
details of merging the two, which will include winding down the =
incubator project.  Mail has been sent to dev@hive and hcatalog-dev to =
propose the details of the path forward.

Alan.

On Feb 23, 2013, at 2:43 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:

> Thanks Alan,
>=20
> I'm still wondering why the Hive PMC feel mentoring inside the PMC is
> appropriate but not the IPMC.
>=20
> Please understand I'm not saying I'm for or against the proposal. I'm
> trying to understand it so that I can form an opinion as an IPMC =
member.
>=20
> Ross
>=20
> Sent from a mobile device, please excuse mistakes and brevity
> On 20 Feb 2013 18:22, "Alan Gates" <gates@hortonworks.com> wrote:
>=20
>> The project was named Howl when it was proposed, so the proposal is =
at
>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/HowlProposal
>>=20
>> Alan.
>>=20
>> On Feb 20, 2013, at 2:31 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>>=20
>>> I'm brought to this thread byt he board report but my response here =
is as
>>> an IPMC member. My comment on the board report is quite different, =
it is
>>> "I've read the thread on general@ and feel that the IPMC should make =
a
>>> clear recommendation to the board in this and similar cases. The =
IPMC
>>> discussion seems to be healthy and productive."
>>>=20
>>> So, as a an IPMC member I have a few open questions [inline]...
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On 11 February 2013 18:20, Alan Gates <gates@hortonworks.com> wrote:
>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>> Also, it has been agreed that each HCatalog committer will be =
provided
>> with
>>>> a mentor from the Hive community to help him/her learn the rest of =
Hive,
>>>> with the goal of becoming a committer on Hive within six months.  =
The
>>>> submodule state is transitionary, not an end point.
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>> Why was this"mentoring" not done as part of the incubation process =
since
>>> building the right community structure for graduation (along with IP
>>> clearance) is the main role of the incubation process? Was Hive the
>>> sponsoring project for this proposal? If not why not?
>>>=20
>>> I ask these questions because HCatlog is making a very strong case =
that
>> any
>>> other option for graduation is not appropriate. At the same time we =
are
>>> being told by the Hive PMC that the mentoring of the committers is
>>> incomplete since they have insufficient merit within Hive to be =
trusted
>> to
>>> be full members of that project.
>>>=20
>>> it also concerns me that in this same month the IPMC board report =
says
>> "The
>>> main concern of the incubator continues to be the quality and =
reliability
>>> of supervision... The supply of mentoring seems, still, to exceed
>> demand."
>>>=20
>>> Why is it that the Hive PMC feels it is able to provide "mentoring"
>> within
>>> their own PMC through the creation of what some people see as
>>> an umbrella project, but not here in the IPMC?
>>>=20
>>> Finally, why can't I find the HCatalog proposal in my mail client,
>> markmail
>>> or the wiki (not had coffee yet, feel free to call me [insert =
adjective])
>>>=20
>>> Ross
>>=20
>>=20
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