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From "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] HCatalog to Graduate and become part of Apache Hive
Date Sat, 09 Feb 2013 05:03:27 GMT
Hi Alan,

Thanks for the pointer.

I'm -1 on this graduation for the following reasons:

1. It looks eerily similar to the creation of umbrella projects. I would
expect the ASF board to not be happy with the graduation of a podling as
effectively a sub project of an established TLP, with the sub project
status maintained through a rather lengthy set of bylaws that after trying
to read through for about 5 mins I decided to stop. TL;DR

2. If the two communities can't be merged by simply merging the PPMC into
the PMC, then why not simply graduate HCatalog as its own TLP?

3. I get a little nervous every time I see bylaws used to draw artificial
lines and to create new roles that don't exist at Apache. "sub module
committer"? How is this comparable across projects? It's not really.
Projects don't have to be strictly comparable, but realize that you report
to the Board with common criteria, and so thus at some level projects are
comparable.

I'd like to understand the answers to my above questions and I'd urge
other PMC members to take a look at this. It seems to be a recipe for
later issues, based on past experience with Hadoop, Lucene, and other
umbrellas that were dismantled.

Chris


On 2/8/13 4:33 PM, "Alan Gates" <gates@hortonworks.com> wrote:

>No.  See the thread of the Hive vote at
>http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hive-dev/201301.mbox/%3cCACf6Rrzk
>tBYD0suZxn3Pfv8XkR=vgwszRZyB_2qVeSuj2vhaVg@mail.gmail.com%3e for a
>discussion of how the teams will be merged.
>
>Alan.
>
>On Feb 8, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>
>> Dear Alan,
>> 
>> Just a quick question: does this mean that the Hive PMC += (Apache
>> HCatalog Incubating PPMC)?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>> 
>> On 2/8/13 11:38 AM, "Alan Gates" <gates@hortonworks.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Apache HCatalog entered incubation in March of 2011.  In the process it
>>> has added five new committers and two new PPMC members and made 3
>>> successful releases.
>>> 
>>> The Hive PMC has voted to accept HCatalog as a part of Hive.  The vote
>>> thread for this is at
>>> 
>>>http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hive-dev/201301.mbox/%3cCACf6Rr
>>>zk
>>> tBYD0suZxn3Pfv8XkR=vgwszRZyB_2qVeSuj2vhaVg@mail.gmail.com%3e
>>> 
>>> The HCatalog PPMC has voted to accept this invitation.  The vote thread
>>> for that is at:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-hcatalog-dev/201302.m
>>>bo
>>> x/%3cD6CC6C77-9E4F-48F6-B49F-A7E378889274@hortonworks.com%3e
>>> 
>>> additional votes for this can be found at:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201302.mbox/%
>>>3c
>>> 3F7D9868-7D0D-4C08-831A-FF4735394E12@hortonworks.com%3e
>>> 
>>> and
>>> 
>>> 
>>>http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hive-dev/201302.mbox/%3c3F7D986
>>>8-
>>> 7D0D-4C08-831A-FF4735394E12@hortonworks.com%3e
>>> 
>>> (these are threads I forwarded to dev@hive and general@incubator as an
>>> FYI but people got confused and voted on the wrong thread).
>>> 
>>> We have already received +1s from the following IPMC members on the
>>> previous threads:
>>> 
>>> Arun Murthy
>>> Owen O'Malley
>>> Alex Karasulu
>>> Jakob Homan
>>> Alan Gates
>>> 
>>> Please cast your vote.  The vote will remain open until 12 PST Feb 11.
>>> 
>>> Alan.
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