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From Ross Gardler <rgard...@opendirective.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] HCatalog to Graduate and become part of Apache Hive
Date Sun, 24 Feb 2013 09:26:19 GMT
Thanks again Alan.

The fact that there appears to be no members of the Hive PMC active in the
incubator would seem to be the root cause of the need for further
mentoring/incubation post graduation.

Ross

On 23 Feb 2013 17:07, "Alan Gates" <gates@hortonworks.com> wrote:
>
> I think that's a question for the Hive PMC.  I have some guesses, but it
seemd more appropriate to let them speak for themselves.  For some history
you can take a look at
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/hive-dev/201211.mbox/%3CC648B9DE-2088-465E-8FA1-590D5E192093%40hortonworks.com%3Ewhich
is the initial discussion between HCat and Hive.  AFAIK none of the
Hive PMC are on the IPMC, so you may need to mail private@hive or
dev@hiveto get their feedback.
>
> Alan.
>
> On Feb 23, 2013, at 2:43 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>
> > Thanks Alan,
> >
> > I'm still wondering why the Hive PMC feel mentoring inside the PMC is
> > appropriate but not the IPMC.
> >
> > Please understand I'm not saying I'm for or against the proposal. I'm
> > trying to understand it so that I can form an opinion as an IPMC member.
> >
> > Ross
> >
> > Sent from a mobile device, please excuse mistakes and brevity
> > On 20 Feb 2013 18:22, "Alan Gates" <gates@hortonworks.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The project was named Howl when it was proposed, so the proposal is at
> >> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/HowlProposal
> >>
> >> Alan.
> >>
> >> On Feb 20, 2013, at 2:31 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm brought to this thread byt he board report but my response here
is as
> >>> an IPMC member. My comment on the board report is quite different, it
is
> >>> "I've read the thread on general@ and feel that the IPMC should make a
> >>> clear recommendation to the board in this and similar cases. The IPMC
> >>> discussion seems to be healthy and productive."
> >>>
> >>> So, as a an IPMC member I have a few open questions [inline]...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 11 February 2013 18:20, Alan Gates <gates@hortonworks.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Also, it has been agreed that each HCatalog committer will be provided
> >> with
> >>>> a mentor from the Hive community to help him/her learn the rest of
Hive,
> >>>> with the goal of becoming a committer on Hive within six months.  The
> >>>> submodule state is transitionary, not an end point.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Why was this"mentoring" not done as part of the incubation process
since
> >>> building the right community structure for graduation (along with IP
> >>> clearance) is the main role of the incubation process? Was Hive the
> >>> sponsoring project for this proposal? If not why not?
> >>>
> >>> I ask these questions because HCatlog is making a very strong case
that
> >> any
> >>> other option for graduation is not appropriate. At the same time we
are
> >>> being told by the Hive PMC that the mentoring of the committers is
> >>> incomplete since they have insufficient merit within Hive to be
trusted
> >> to
> >>> be full members of that project.
> >>>
> >>> it also concerns me that in this same month the IPMC board report says
> >> "The
> >>> main concern of the incubator continues to be the quality and
reliability
> >>> of supervision... The supply of mentoring seems, still, to exceed
> >> demand."
> >>>
> >>> Why is it that the Hive PMC feels it is able to provide "mentoring"
> >> within
> >>> their own PMC through the creation of what some people see as
> >>> an umbrella project, but not here in the IPMC?
> >>>
> >>> Finally, why can't I find the HCatalog proposal in my mail client,
> >> markmail
> >>> or the wiki (not had coffee yet, feel free to call me [insert
adjective])
> >>>
> >>> Ross
> >>
> >>
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