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From Alan Gates <ga...@hortonworks.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] HCatalog to Graduate and become part of Apache Hive
Date Sat, 23 Feb 2013 17:08:52 GMT
FYI, at this point based on Benson and Roy's feedback I have been considering this vote closed
and passed.  We're moving forward with the details of merging the two, which will include
winding down the incubator project.  Mail has been sent to dev@hive and hcatalog-dev to propose
the details of the path forward.

Alan.

On Feb 23, 2013, at 2:43 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:

> Thanks Alan,
> 
> I'm still wondering why the Hive PMC feel mentoring inside the PMC is
> appropriate but not the IPMC.
> 
> Please understand I'm not saying I'm for or against the proposal. I'm
> trying to understand it so that I can form an opinion as an IPMC member.
> 
> Ross
> 
> Sent from a mobile device, please excuse mistakes and brevity
> On 20 Feb 2013 18:22, "Alan Gates" <gates@hortonworks.com> wrote:
> 
>> The project was named Howl when it was proposed, so the proposal is at
>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/HowlProposal
>> 
>> Alan.
>> 
>> On Feb 20, 2013, at 2:31 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm brought to this thread byt he board report but my response here is as
>>> an IPMC member. My comment on the board report is quite different, it is
>>> "I've read the thread on general@ and feel that the IPMC should make a
>>> clear recommendation to the board in this and similar cases. The IPMC
>>> discussion seems to be healthy and productive."
>>> 
>>> So, as a an IPMC member I have a few open questions [inline]...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11 February 2013 18:20, Alan Gates <gates@hortonworks.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> Also, it has been agreed that each HCatalog committer will be provided
>> with
>>>> a mentor from the Hive community to help him/her learn the rest of Hive,
>>>> with the goal of becoming a committer on Hive within six months.  The
>>>> submodule state is transitionary, not an end point.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> Why was this"mentoring" not done as part of the incubation process since
>>> building the right community structure for graduation (along with IP
>>> clearance) is the main role of the incubation process? Was Hive the
>>> sponsoring project for this proposal? If not why not?
>>> 
>>> I ask these questions because HCatlog is making a very strong case that
>> any
>>> other option for graduation is not appropriate. At the same time we are
>>> being told by the Hive PMC that the mentoring of the committers is
>>> incomplete since they have insufficient merit within Hive to be trusted
>> to
>>> be full members of that project.
>>> 
>>> it also concerns me that in this same month the IPMC board report says
>> "The
>>> main concern of the incubator continues to be the quality and reliability
>>> of supervision... The supply of mentoring seems, still, to exceed
>> demand."
>>> 
>>> Why is it that the Hive PMC feels it is able to provide "mentoring"
>> within
>>> their own PMC through the creation of what some people see as
>>> an umbrella project, but not here in the IPMC?
>>> 
>>> Finally, why can't I find the HCatalog proposal in my mail client,
>> markmail
>>> or the wiki (not had coffee yet, feel free to call me [insert adjective])
>>> 
>>> Ross
>> 
>> 
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