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From Upayavira ...@odoko.co.uk>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Knox Hadoop Gateway Project
Date Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:40:17 GMT
Diversity as has been discussed has generally been about contributors
not mentors, but while we should be able to expect mentors to act
primarily in the best interests of the ASF not their employer, having
some diversity of mentors is going to be a good thing.

The flaws in the initial landgrab over committership at the beginning of
a podling's life have been demonstrated. I believe it is best to start
with a known set of contributors (from one org is fine) and watch them
demonstrate their ability to open up their project quickly by setting a
low bar to committership.

It does seem like this project now has a wealth of mentor options. I've
seen projects with six mentors, five of which were quickly inactive. It
makes sense I'd say to start a discussion amongst those who have
volunteered to see who is best placed to be an active mentor. A project
choosing their own mentors also makes sense, as these are people they
are going to be working with.

Just some reflections.

Upayavira

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013, at 12:27 AM, Josh Wills wrote:
> I thought that the need for diversity referred to the community, not to
> the
> mentors.
> 
> I strongly advocate for newly incubating projects choosing their own
> initial members (you need only search for the epic thread that resulted
> from the Crunch Proposal circa May 2012), but it seems like recent data
> suggests that starting out with a small set of committers from a single
> organization working on a large and complex codebase is a recipe for
> diversity issues and a difficult path out of the incubator.
> 
> Kevin et al., please choose whomever you want, but do consider getting
> some
> folks from other organizations to seed the community. It does so much
> good
> for the project over the long term.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Devaraj Das <ddas@hortonworks.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi folks,
> > Happy to see such a hugely positive response on the proposal. I'll put
> > up a vote tomorrow.
> >
> > Now, on the mentors, I think we have enough at this point and we have
> > also addressed the diversity concern. I had got the confirmation from
> > Chris Douglas and Chris Mattmann yesterday afternoon that they would
> > participate as mentors in the project. On the nominations for getting
> > involved in the project, you are welcome to come in as contributors.
> > Individuals in the initial list of committers all have a view point
> > that the committers list be kept as such and the standard practice
> > (based on contributions, after the project is accepted for incubation)
> > for accepting new committers be followed here.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Devaraj.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 8:07 AM, Kevin Minder
> > <kevin.minder@hortonworks.com> wrote:
> > > Hi Bertrand,
> > > Currently all of the mentors are affiliated with Hortonworks as well.  We
> > > can reach out to a number of other people and organizations that are
> > > interested in the project to diversify if this is an important
> > consideration
> > > at this stage.
> > >
> > > One other question I have is about creating a wiki to host the proposal.
> >  I
> > > don't seem to have privs to create http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/knox
> > .
> > > Would that be the correct place to evolve the proposal?  If so, how do I
> > go
> > > about creating in?
> > > Kevin.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2/11/13 10:10 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Kevin Minder
> > >> <kevin.minder@hortonworks.com> wrote:
> > >> ...
> > >>>
> > >>> === Nominated Mentors ===
> > >>>
> > >>> Owen O’Malley (omalley AT apache DOT org)
> > >>> Mahadev Konar (mahadev AT apache DOT org)
> > >>> Alan Gates (gates AT apache DOT org)
> > >>> Devaraj Das (ddas AT apache DOT org)
> > >>
> > >> ...
> > >>
> > >> Considering all initial committers are from hortonworks, I'd like to
> > >> see affiliations for mentors as well - or at least indicate which
> > >> mentors are *not* affiliated with hortonworks.
> > >>
> > >> -Bertrand
> > >>
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> > >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 8:07 AM, Kevin Minder
> > <kevin.minder@hortonworks.com> wrote:
> > > Hi Bertrand,
> > > Currently all of the mentors are affiliated with Hortonworks as well.  We
> > > can reach out to a number of other people and organizations that are
> > > interested in the project to diversify if this is an important
> > consideration
> > > at this stage.
> > >
> > > One other question I have is about creating a wiki to host the proposal.
> >  I
> > > don't seem to have privs to create http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/knox
> > .
> > > Would that be the correct place to evolve the proposal?  If so, how do I
> > go
> > > about creating in?
> > > Kevin.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2/11/13 10:10 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Kevin Minder
> > >> <kevin.minder@hortonworks.com> wrote:
> > >> ...
> > >>>
> > >>> === Nominated Mentors ===
> > >>>
> > >>> Owen O’Malley (omalley AT apache DOT org)
> > >>> Mahadev Konar (mahadev AT apache DOT org)
> > >>> Alan Gates (gates AT apache DOT org)
> > >>> Devaraj Das (ddas AT apache DOT org)
> > >>
> > >> ...
> > >>
> > >> Considering all initial committers are from hortonworks, I'd like to
> > >> see affiliations for mentors as well - or at least indicate which
> > >> mentors are *not* affiliated with hortonworks.
> > >>
> > >> -Bertrand
> > >>
> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
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> > >>
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 8:07 AM, Kevin Minder
> > <kevin.minder@hortonworks.com> wrote:
> > > Hi Bertrand,
> > > Currently all of the mentors are affiliated with Hortonworks as well.  We
> > > can reach out to a number of other people and organizations that are
> > > interested in the project to diversify if this is an important
> > consideration
> > > at this stage.
> > >
> > > One other question I have is about creating a wiki to host the proposal.
> >  I
> > > don't seem to have privs to create http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/knox
> > .
> > > Would that be the correct place to evolve the proposal?  If so, how do I
> > go
> > > about creating in?
> > > Kevin.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2/11/13 10:10 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Kevin Minder
> > >> <kevin.minder@hortonworks.com> wrote:
> > >> ...
> > >>>
> > >>> === Nominated Mentors ===
> > >>>
> > >>> Owen O’Malley (omalley AT apache DOT org)
> > >>> Mahadev Konar (mahadev AT apache DOT org)
> > >>> Alan Gates (gates AT apache DOT org)
> > >>> Devaraj Das (ddas AT apache DOT org)
> > >>
> > >> ...
> > >>
> > >> Considering all initial committers are from hortonworks, I'd like to
> > >> see affiliations for mentors as well - or at least indicate which
> > >> mentors are *not* affiliated with hortonworks.
> > >>
> > >> -Bertrand
> > >>
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> > >>
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> 
> 
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> Cloudera <http://www.cloudera.com>
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