Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D118ED5B4 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2013 00:51:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 60240 invoked by uid 500); 25 Jan 2013 00:51:22 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 60015 invoked by uid 500); 25 Jan 2013 00:51:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 60006 invoked by uid 99); 25 Jan 2013 00:51:21 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 25 Jan 2013 00:51:21 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of ted.dunning@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.169 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.210.169] (HELO mail-ia0-f169.google.com) (209.85.210.169) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 25 Jan 2013 00:51:13 +0000 Received: by mail-ia0-f169.google.com with SMTP id j5so5908201iaf.0 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 16:50:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:content-type; bh=qVCL5uKcUwOhijYEa7HAQr/n/S8hvmZJllh91YjA3Ew=; b=qPzn9PVAKBnhoWMrQulwHKZSToApuVcR4zt+gE93ZSXnEdNLVOnbBGawISHqdavtv3 bC09BIwRlOUxGGQGBjgZLcWjKl43q+OqhA2/6ZXXl2b/76kAQ8WfIfHNzGURRYpaMVsz 4OorIinpUM0tunneGjwx5ztbIENz01F5y9x0INPqqsOX3JwhRosvPkPtzBTpqABKvAKY 5pmk+7CQ/Spbqvh1atkjY4dwNz6Ei37MpiIEcz6QrZ3+fNGzWvAxiIDcXRZyov5imweF UPNVDXtZAa6EvKap6cA+t3tTQyWqXHmeY57mOYV7t5NHHNRcpkPaGGGSLyGCi1Pfj0sP 5g4w== X-Received: by 10.50.12.135 with SMTP id y7mr2922442igb.98.1359075052613; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 16:50:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.133.137 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jan 2013 16:50:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5101B797.5070806@apache.org> References: <996FC801C05DF64A84246A106FACACD00711AD@MSGPEXCHA08A.mfad.mfroot.org> <996FC801C05DF64A84246A106FACACD007125D@MSGPEXCHA08A.mfad.mfroot.org> <5101B797.5070806@apache.org> From: Ted Dunning Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:50:22 +0900 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache cTAKES 3.0.0-incubating RC5 release To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340bcdbbf1ba04d4125139 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --14dae9340bcdbbf1ba04d4125139 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Branko =C4=8Cibej wrote= : > On 21.01.2013 21:08, Benson Margulies wrote: > ...>> > >> I am referring to this discussion http://s.apache.org/MUZ > > Well, that clear enough, even if it is a typical example of how our > > founders yell at us but we have no mechanism to channel those yells > > into concise, unambiguous, documentation. > > Per haps off-topic ... but I fail to see how "source release" is > ambiguous or not concise. > > Unless the Java world has a different definition of "source code" than > us stuck-in-the-mud plodders, and it's only considered binary once it's > been JIT-compiled. :) > It isn't necessarily ambiguous when applied to code, but there is a different case when applied to models or parameter settings. For instance, commons match has polynomial coefficients embedded in code that approximate certain functions. These are the results of computations done using other systems and the source code and the data used in those other computations are not included in the released code, only the parameter values are. This same sort of thing applies here except that the model in question has a much larger set of values and is being packaged in a binary, inspectable format. Would your opinion change if the model were expressed in a textual model? Would it matter that the textual model is too large and obtuse to usefully inspect? What about a hypothetical case where the model is derived from the explosion of a nuclear bomb? Would the release of the numbers require the inclusion of a suitable bomb design so that everybody could replicate the derivation? --14dae9340bcdbbf1ba04d4125139--