From general-return-39258-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Mon Jan 14 00:00:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B763DE75 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 00:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 19239 invoked by uid 500); 14 Jan 2013 00:00:02 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 19024 invoked by uid 500); 14 Jan 2013 00:00:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 19016 invoked by uid 99); 14 Jan 2013 00:00:02 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 00:00:02 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of shaposhnik@gmail.com designates 209.85.223.170 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.223.170] (HELO mail-ie0-f170.google.com) (209.85.223.170) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 23:59:55 +0000 Received: by mail-ie0-f170.google.com with SMTP id k10so4383702iea.15 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:59:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/Kd8uqiSoFnGNR2DUu0PNsG+JlA5aaGg9Bb++1UUdTA=; b=bRTNR9fK4g4UQ1xyXUiJjiFcbiwO2bm4wSl7ilzKdQxh+eZ9RyCiTmQXrSV/Ojj4rH AsyU7WxLlKckwtOtk4OCralzcPx9FttkGU5o6lLAGLY/Vv8CrFwbtZuTJu7ZvfQNoKK3 EVGlt0/gbNiuRTk1f+n94hKV7Idh8Af70DEjYCs49hc70lQ8yuS5KwdF13bURx/axgWd Hyew1XqB3tq+RqeneCM3dE3uQsixRrTacdclYJf93T46yWoekLXa6FrHAOZZulTEQxED 7AHtBgov02ObeV6LN0o/CKxHlFh0R8HDF72aXyFNvSXrj/KibioefH6A2Fvk6D2PPVQj 79ig== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.42.232 with SMTP id r8mr5280423igl.100.1358121574147; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:59:34 -0800 (PST) Sender: shaposhnik@gmail.com Received: by 10.43.5.130 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:59:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1358010472.96257.YahooMailNeo@web124703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1358010472.96257.YahooMailNeo@web124703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:59:34 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: z84gf0OtjH3w9isvzIbeaUFNbeM Message-ID: Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews From: Roman Shaposhnik To: general@incubator.apache.org, Joe Schaefer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > Just think about this for a second, what's more > likely for people to start suing us over, some > bug in the NOTICE file or an undetected backdoor > in one of our programs? I am personally far more > concerned about the current state of the actual > review going on in our podlings than I am about > NOTICE minutia. I agree with your general concern of us missing the forest for the trees. Yet, I have no silver bullet for how to visualize the forest either except for trying to infuse the sense of urgency around these issues into the incubating PMCs. Thus I view us being pedantic when it comes to licensing minutia as a double edge sword. On one hand, we should never forget that this is but the simplest way of us harping on one of the most important issue for the foundation and NOT a end in and of itself. On the other hand, if we stop using licensing nits as a forcing function to make PMC aware, I'm not sure we are left with too many chance of having that type of a conversation with the project. Thanks, Roman. P.S. I know this could be difficult for the veterans to appreciate, but I constantly come across fresh grads not understanding licensing implication *at all*. This is especially true for those who by the luck of a draw ended up interning/etc for the service-oriented companies like Google/Twitter/Facebook/Yahoo (cue RMS with AGPL ;-)). --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org