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From Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: How to make votes more visible?
Date Wed, 23 Jan 2013 19:35:17 GMT
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com> wrote:
> I recommend that you start by politely asking your mentors.
>
> If you, or one of these other projects, don't have enough active
> mentors to pass a release vote, I recommend that you recruit more
> mentors. One possibility is that one the participants could join the
> IPMC; we have voted in people who have demonstrated enough grasp of
> the requirements.

Its not so easy to recruit mentors. Not for all projects.

> I am a pessimist about getting releases reviewed 'in the cloud' of
> miscellaneous members of this PMC.

Yes, actually very sad.

These projects have less than 3 mentors and cannot release a component
without the IPMC-cloud:

http://incubator.apache.org/projects/easyant.html
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mesos.html
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/s4.html
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/tashi.html
http://incubator.apache.org/projects/wink.html

Many others "just" have three. Hopefully non of the mentors is on
holidays when the release comes out.

i watch a couple of projects and saw a lot of the mentors listed on
status pages are simply not present. Even when a project "recruits a
new mentor" it doesn't mean it can make a release with mentor-votes.

I remember Bloodhound, JSPWiki, Deltacloud had problems to get
necessary votes. Onami parent pom did take a while too. I think there
were many others too.

Christian

>
> --benson
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Gary Martin <gary.martin@wandisco.com> wrote:
>> On 18/01/13 11:30, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>>> <bdelacretaz@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Christian,
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>>>> <grobmeier@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ...Can we somehow find a way to highlight currently running votes?...
>>>>
>>>> Isn't the [VOTE] tag in subject sufficient?
>>>> You could filter those threads to a different mail folder to make sure
>>>> you don't miss them.
>>>
>>> In theory yes. But on the other hand i already have tons of gmail
>>> labels (counting asf lists only).
>>>
>>> There are some [VOTE]s open for a pretty long time. Basically this is
>>> the problem i wanted to address.
>>
>>
>> I suspect that [VOTE]s remaining open frustrates a number of incubator
>> projects. There currently seem to be 5 ongoing votes at this point which are
>> (I think I have these ordered by last response time):
>>
>>    [VOTE] Apache cTAKES 3.0.0-incubating RC5 release - open 13 days
>>    [VOTE] Release Apache Onami-Test 1.4.0-incubating - open 3 hours
>>    [VOTE] Release Apache Onami-Logging 3.4.0-incubating - open 3 hours
>>    [VOTE] - Apache Clerezza Graduation Resolution - open 5 days
>>    [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.4 (incubating) - open 5 days
>>
>> Sorry if I missed any. Two of the above have just started but of the others,
>> two took (or are still taking) a fairly long time to get started.
>>
>> Regarding the original suggestion, a web based tool would only seem to be
>> useful if the problem is associated with IPMC members not noticing rather
>> than not feeling that they have time to do proper reviews. Has this been
>> determined yet? Are there any other possible reasons?
>>
>> Finally, a shameless request: please can we get more people reviewing the
>> Bloodhound vote?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>     Gary
>
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