Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org
Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of eric818@gmail.com designates
 209.85.220.175 as permitted sender)
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: 
 <CAKQbXgAKo_pZoOyBL4zVBaiwk03BYa=PEAZ3jG8pZkGh+WWoow@mail.gmail.com>
References: 
 <CALhtWkeNWvV1EJsG2z8oPd0v=uCAAybw2gbgocZHCRT9kaO-1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJO+Ubvoryum0Y=zH-fNeRu70Ff9=5TirKGkk=asH0mZ-1eBdw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEWfVJkUJy1qdg8xQCeh1VRp3aFWwCRWZnSqL-UO45+=wNpURQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJO+UbteUvJ3hw7tCMpiJnM2J6Cs-W23VfaPpO08mP4SCajTjQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALhtWkfd2eS66UGgS-jhQkKBB2A0Bpd4mDSC7wRgMqDCtBi+VQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<0A28BB67-A452-4155-AC19-4CF41352A898@toolazydogs.com>
	<CAEWfVJ=PTZvepLA86AA-1+Hiwn8_N_2Qp4othexO4eGuWA3eKA@mail.gmail.com>
	<86D4895F-EFA6-43C5-8CCB-E5F78A055918@toolazydogs.com>
	<CALhtWkczAqrUd_EWt1OiqJvGL5NLBeYkfkmaDLUT68TpE7PhiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKWVykWWmPTwupD3ZsUZSDpS5_5MQKdFwG5rpLyUTOO1KGxrYw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEWfVJncb9FshJhm0VJXcDXPcxn92Lacyy=p+C_0H5ZZ2tiJdg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKQbXgAxpbeaS6=QXFWiMaBOe5gNMk2_EAv3930WoNs1480M2g@mail.gmail.com>
	<69C06816-7AA6-436D-83FF-33271E9FD166@toolazydogs.com>
	<CAEWfVJ=Y0hLOB2t39vhJHNm=8+opsDyvQf8_53h9hdJMmDWOLA@mail.gmail.com>
	<50B7D786.9020705@apache.org>
	<CALhtWkdBqPioUoixYuReOhGodY5b+PtasYEWqOb7a0TNPwqYZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKQbXgAKo_pZoOyBL4zVBaiwk03BYa=PEAZ3jG8pZkGh+WWoow@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 20:29:19 -0800
Message-ID: 
 <CADfbTpH+2yzFZBghX7pqcR=YEok8WeatgKkLuW+-a0sHsnvUdw@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Retirement decision making
From: Eric Yang <eric818@gmail.com>
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6766dcb05d9304cfc2f5c6

--047d7b6766dcb05d9304cfc2f5c6
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

+1 on active PMC duties would be fine to ensure continuation of the project.

regards,
Eric

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 1:27 AM, Ross Gardler <rgardler@opendirective.com>wrote:

> On 30 November 2012 00:52, Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hard cases make bad law. The rough parameters of the recent 'small
> > graduates' was that they had around 5 initial PMC members, and some
> > detectable evidence that all of them were in the reasonably regular
> > habit of contributing code, let alone voting for releases. If we
> > insist on testing the absolute lower limit of viability, we're may
> > bump into the absurd.
> >
>
> +1 (where "reasonably regular habit of contributing code" should be
> "reasonably regular habit of contributing in some way" - that is only being
> active in PMC duties would be fine, need not be active committer, as long
> as it is responsible activity (i.e. voting from an informed position)
>
> Ross
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Andy Seaborne <andy@apache.org> wrote:
> > > On 29/11/12 14:53, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Alan Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> ... Would you also add the three or more active PMC members
> > requirement?
> > >>> What constitutes active?...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> IMO the bare minimum is being able to find three PMC members to vote
> > >> on things when needed.
> > >>
> > >> Once a project gets below this limit it's in trouble and usually
> > >> headed for the attic, but that's not the only possibility - see
> > >> "Resolution to reboot the Apache Xalan PMC" at
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2011/board_minutes_2011_07_20.txt
> > >> for example.
> > >
> > >
> > > I think we need to be a bit careful about graduating a podling that is
> a
> > > minimum viable project.  That's not say it shouldn't be done but if
> it's
> > > minimal, and looks ropey, then we're aren't doing us or them any
> favours
> > if
> > > the project looks likely to get into problems quite soon.  After all,
> > > graduation itself requires project resource.
> > >
> > >         Andy
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> -Bertrand
> > >>
> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> > >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
> Programme Leader (Open Development)
> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
>

--047d7b6766dcb05d9304cfc2f5c6--