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From Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: More and better report nagging
Date Tue, 18 Dec 2012 01:38:13 GMT
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Tim Williams <williamstw@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Marvin Humphrey <marvin@rectangular.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Tim Williams <williamstw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> FWIW, I feel the same.  I'd rather see 'did not report' and let the
>>>> IPMC look for that pattern. Maybe just have your template generator
>>>> default to DNR in the text?
>>>
>>> +1 on defaulting to DNR.
>>>
>>> How about sending out the whole Incubator report to all podling dev lists,
>>> every month?  That way the DNR shows up without an IPMC member having to
>>> notice and take action.  But in addition, it increases podling exposure to
>>> other projects and to the ASF at large.
>>>
>>> An alternative is to send it out to only the podlings that are reporting for
a
>>> cycle, but that's more work and doesn't serve the purpose of connecting the
>>> podling to being in the Incubator quite so cleanly.
>>
>>
>> I feel  all that we are all volunteers, that podlings are volunteers
>> who don't necessarily have their organizational act together, and that
>> calling them out for DNR is not a very effective technique to
>> providing the supervision that we, as a PMC, are on the hook for.  So
>> I'm inclined for now to nag, and to spend a few minutes making that
>> job less labor-intensive.
>
> I'm beginning to think your mind's made up and the original question
> was a pleasantry, but in case not...

At this point I'm cogitating.

>
> I hold a different view of things.  While I think that we, ok you, are
> on the hook for a board report, we've (PMC) delegated[1] the reporting
> of each podling to the mentors that we approved for that podling.  We
> aren't "calling out the podling" as DNR - we're calling out their
> mentor as DNR.  If there's additional nags to go out, I'd do my
> "default to DNR" and send the nag to the mentors directly.
>
> Ultimately, making that job less labor-intensive involves getting
> mentors and would-be-mentors to realize they can't simply go around
> spewing their seeds as absentee fathers - it's a real commitment; to
> the podling and to the foundation.  Shucks, keeping a record of
> deadbeat mentors would prolly help...
>
> In the end though, you've a thankless and tough job, so consider these
> as constructive thoughts to be readily ignored in favor of whatever it
> takes to get your job done:)
>
> Thanks,
> --tim
>
> [1] - http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Mentor
>
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