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From Ross Gardler <rgard...@opendirective.com>
Subject Re: PPMC versus commiter
Date Wed, 19 Dec 2012 22:13:17 GMT
Christian, you can review any podling I'm a mentor on, including AOO, to
see discussion of both models. I'm sure many other projects have discussed
this too.

The page you refer to is correct, there are two separate roles as
recognised by the foundation.

You do have a point that things can be documented more clearly, they always
can be, but I don't think the how it works page is at fault. That page
doesn't describe how someone gets those roles, it merely defines the roles
the foundation recognises.

Ross

Sent from a mobile device, please excuse mistakes and brevity
On 19 Dec 2012 18:56, "Christian Grobmeier" <grobmeier@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Ross Gardler
> <rgardler@opendirective.com> wrote:
> > On 19 December 2012 13:33, Marvin Humphrey <marvin@rectangular.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> The status quo seems to be that podlings tend to inherit their Mentors'
> >> beliefs.  That may please no one, but I cringe at the thought of trying
> to
> >> "resolve" this one way or another.  Consensus would mean one side losing
> >> after
> >> a long, bloody battle.
> >>
> >>
> > I hope this is not the case. I hope mentors impartially explain the
> > benefits and drawbacks of each approach and then let the PPMC make up
> their
> > mind. If a mentor is pushing their own preferred route then they are not
> > doing their job as a mentor in my opinion (an exception being made where
> a
> > mentor is also active on the project and thus has the equivalent of a
> > "binding vote" on the PPMC).
>
> +1
>
> This is very well said. The link I sent earlier told me, an "ASF
> project works with the distinction of PMC and C". It is not saying an
> typical project. It says, it is how the ASF works.
>
> As mentor I want to explain "how the ASF" works. Personally I am
> totally fine with both models; in fact, I am even not opposed in
> having global commit rights for every committer.
>
> But we should document that the other model "PMC == C" is practiced by
> some projects and it is totally acceptable like the "PMC != C" model.
>
> Personally I cannot remember a mentor proposed two different models
> before on a podling I was active.
>
> Actually the role PPMC does just lead to confusion. Why can't we
> remove it and allow ever podling committer to join the private list?
> When the day of graduation comes the mentors can choose the first PMC
> who can decide which model it wants to run. Nobody wants to be the bad
> guy and vote a person out of the PPMC.
>
> Christian
>
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