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From Tim Williams <william...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: More and better report nagging
Date Tue, 18 Dec 2012 01:23:07 GMT
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 7:35 PM, Marvin Humphrey <marvin@rectangular.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Tim Williams <williamstw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> FWIW, I feel the same.  I'd rather see 'did not report' and let the
>>> IPMC look for that pattern. Maybe just have your template generator
>>> default to DNR in the text?
>>
>> +1 on defaulting to DNR.
>>
>> How about sending out the whole Incubator report to all podling dev lists,
>> every month?  That way the DNR shows up without an IPMC member having to
>> notice and take action.  But in addition, it increases podling exposure to
>> other projects and to the ASF at large.
>>
>> An alternative is to send it out to only the podlings that are reporting for a
>> cycle, but that's more work and doesn't serve the purpose of connecting the
>> podling to being in the Incubator quite so cleanly.
>
>
> I feel  all that we are all volunteers, that podlings are volunteers
> who don't necessarily have their organizational act together, and that
> calling them out for DNR is not a very effective technique to
> providing the supervision that we, as a PMC, are on the hook for.  So
> I'm inclined for now to nag, and to spend a few minutes making that
> job less labor-intensive.

I'm beginning to think your mind's made up and the original question
was a pleasantry, but in case not...

I hold a different view of things.  While I think that we, ok you, are
on the hook for a board report, we've (PMC) delegated[1] the reporting
of each podling to the mentors that we approved for that podling.  We
aren't "calling out the podling" as DNR - we're calling out their
mentor as DNR.  If there's additional nags to go out, I'd do my
"default to DNR" and send the nag to the mentors directly.

Ultimately, making that job less labor-intensive involves getting
mentors and would-be-mentors to realize they can't simply go around
spewing their seeds as absentee fathers - it's a real commitment; to
the podling and to the foundation.  Shucks, keeping a record of
deadbeat mentors would prolly help...

In the end though, you've a thankless and tough job, so consider these
as constructive thoughts to be readily ignored in favor of whatever it
takes to get your job done:)

Thanks,
--tim

[1] - http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Mentor

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