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From: Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 12:56:44 -0800
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Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda
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How about following the tradition established by the contraction of web log
into blog?

That would give "web linked data" => Blinda

It is still a female name if you need the gender stereotyping of Linda.  It
seems to have non-English meanings, but certainly has no connotations in
English.  It also seems to have no prior technical usage.

Phonetically, it suggests the Wizard of Oz which can't hurt a software
project.

(ripped from the end of a very long response that nobody much is going to
read)

On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com>wrote:

> Then call it LODen.
>
> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 8:04 PM, dsh <daniel.haischt@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Btw, the important part missing up to now in this discussion is the OPEN
> in
> > Linked OPEN Data. If I get it right without openness the whole idea will
> be
> > crippled to a certain extend.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Daniel
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 1:12 AM, Sebastian Schaffert <
> > sebastian.schaffert@salzburgresearch.at> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Ted,
> >>
> >> even though I agree that the term "Linked Data" is very generic, this is
> >> out of my influence, and it describes quite well what the topic is
> about.
> >> The term "Linked Data" has actually been proposed by Tim Berners-Lee:
> >>
> >> http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html
> >>
> >> and is used in the various standardisation efforts (like the W3C "Linked
> >> Data Platform" recommendation mentioned in the proposal). There is also
> a
> >> nice presentation from 2009 at TED:
> >>
> >> http://www.ted.com/talks/tim_berners_lee_on_the_next_web.html
> >>
> >> Linked Data is also already used by major enterprises like:
> >> - BBC: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/BBC/
> >> - Volkswagen:
> >>
> http://semanticweb.com/volkswagen-das-auto-company-is-das-semantic-web-company_b23233
> >> - German National Library:
> >>
> http://www.dnb.de/EN/Service/DigitaleDienste/LinkedData/linkeddata_node.html
> >>
> >> So my fear that 'nobody is likely to understand the phrase "Linked
> Data"'
> >> is very low for the future. If there have been other uses of the phrase
> in
> >> Computer Science before they are now marginalized (if you can trust a
> >> Google search for "Linked Data").
> >>
> >> That said, we take your concern serious (especially the legal issue) and
> >> will discuss the issue on Monday. I am also grateful for the proposals
> that
> >> have already been done on the list.
> >>
> >> Greetings,
> >>
> >> Sebastian
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 17.11.2012 um 23:49 schrieb Ted Dunning:
> >>
> >> > Frankly, the phrase "linked data" is also so generic as to be
> essentially
> >> > meaningless outside your community.  There are many, many uses of this
> >> > phrase in computer science that mean something completely different
> from
> >> > what you guys seem to mean.
> >> >
> >> > It took me quite a bit of reading to figure out what you were talking
> >> > about.  At the very least, you need to look at your supporting
> materials
> >> > with a naive eye so that you can avoid the confusion that your name
> and
> >> > terminology are likely to cause.
> >> >
> >> > Having a project name that memorializes a phrase that nobody is
> likely to
> >> > understand without (lots of) supporting material and which is used by
> >> other
> >> > projects in roughly the same domain is problematic.
> >> >
> >> > My feeling is that I would be -0 on the name meaning that I think
> that it
> >> > isn't good, but I wouldn't stand in the way by vetoing it.  You guys
> seem
> >> > pretty attached to your terminology regardless of the merits and it
> >> doesn't
> >> > seem a big enough issue to be worth causing friction over it.
> >> >
> >> > You should be aware, however, that with these defects, it seems very
> >> > unlikely to me that Apache would be able to help with trademark and
> name
> >> > conflict issues.  That may not seem like a big deal now, but if your
> >> > project really does get going and then somebody tries to take over
> your
> >> > community with a nearly identically named product, it will definitely
> >> feel
> >> > like a big deal.  Take a look at what happens with Open Office all the
> >> time.
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Sebastian Schaffert <
> >> > sebastian.schaffert@salzburgresearch.at> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I agree that "Linda" is a very generic name and as such there are
> >> already
> >> >> several projects out there with this name. On the other hand, we
> chose
> >> >> "Linda" as an acronym for "Linked Data" in order to increase
> >> >> recognizability especially in the domain we are targeting. For our
> >> >> community, we think it would be quite easy to identify "Apache Linda"
> >> with
> >> >> the Linked Data Platform and not with a blackboard system or a
> >> methodology
> >> >> for parallel execution. A more artificial name would probably have a
> >> harder
> >> >> time establishing a brand (but of course the project is good enough
> to
> >> >> manage ;-) ).
> >> >>
> >> >> In case the Incubator PMC still recommends to rename the project, I
> >> agree
> >> >> we should do it BEFORE starting up the project. We will discuss
> options
> >> for
> >> >> renaming on Monday (European Time) and come up with suggestions.
> >> >>
> >>
> >> Sebastian
> >> --
> >> | Dr. Sebastian Schaffert
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> http://www.salzburgresearch.at
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> >>
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