Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E40DBD0AB for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 14:46:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 57789 invoked by uid 500); 30 Nov 2012 14:46:35 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 57344 invoked by uid 500); 30 Nov 2012 14:46:32 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 57304 invoked by uid 99); 30 Nov 2012 14:46:30 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 14:46:30 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of asrabkin@gmail.com designates 209.85.223.175 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.223.175] (HELO mail-ie0-f175.google.com) (209.85.223.175) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 14:46:25 +0000 Received: by mail-ie0-f175.google.com with SMTP id qd14so692249ieb.6 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:46:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=FAARk0rtXU6B+9XKCh2R/5uKUBI67hljmhBd4ylit5A=; b=D+cVLgaHRlRZ+eBttHAerRL4PsUMnoSJWBhwGNJs/x8+QAOrT+xlZ1ettT3vRlOq32 5X0YXGhgZ3LnVCEv7G4Pnl1puo9KVrgsBB3Dz+qua5ZkeFOFtwGIMFpw3dez9AgC+lIl KuapnC/V8+AlqebnGSSoUOc93NuZ1x/JRAlFanVi83Fefn9y8lG1e8rMqSOfdSM+CIjS Ji20rRZ558lyymUYCiaHTDxIK/PqifcvGx9jRfxZRcdMgnG63kVmjQZS1BP4jYQ+yiSv +aoIzzf/oXQuDiWjtYQmqW1qR/7XQdX98g2+t7Jld9s/JATq6Ndl0FPlB0eaIoVS150W HaZw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.222.166 with SMTP id qn6mr1208209igc.47.1354286764773; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:46:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.50.51.225 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:46:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <0A28BB67-A452-4155-AC19-4CF41352A898@toolazydogs.com> <86D4895F-EFA6-43C5-8CCB-E5F78A055918@toolazydogs.com> <69C06816-7AA6-436D-83FF-33271E9FD166@toolazydogs.com> <50B7D786.9020705@apache.org> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:46:04 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Retirement decision making From: Ariel Rabkin To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae934111f89d1b104cfb7752f X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --14dae934111f89d1b104cfb7752f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 30 November 2012 00:52, Benson Margulies wrote: > > > Hard cases make bad law. The rough parameters of the recent 'small > > graduates' was that they had around 5 initial PMC members, and some > > detectable evidence that all of them were in the reasonably regular > > habit of contributing code, let alone voting for releases. If we > > insist on testing the absolute lower limit of viability, we're may > > bump into the absurd. > > > > +1 (where "reasonably regular habit of contributing code" should be > "reasonably regular habit of contributing in some way" - that is only being > active in PMC duties would be fine, need not be active committer, as long > as it is responsible activity (i.e. voting from an informed position) > Yes. Particularly for more mature code-bases, I'd put a lot of weight on whether people are around to answer user questions -- quite possibly, explaining the system helps attract new users more than tinkering with it does. --Ari -- Ari Rabkin asrabkin@gmail.com Princeton Computer Science Department --14dae934111f89d1b104cfb7752f--