Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B5F7DDEF3 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 11:55:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 67709 invoked by uid 500); 27 Nov 2012 11:55:35 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 67420 invoked by uid 500); 27 Nov 2012 11:55:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 67403 invoked by uid 99); 27 Nov 2012 11:55:35 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 11:55:34 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of ant.elder@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.47 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.219.47] (HELO mail-oa0-f47.google.com) (209.85.219.47) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 11:55:27 +0000 Received: by mail-oa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id h1so12126798oag.6 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 03:55:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=JmTpvRuiN31OERaf7sD5h/Im+ZjMBiLrbVVVrbQM69A=; b=1Ix9HYyyZBKPfegnom2d/xaLuMjy1t+NagLc5hGL73l3zo3o7TrDWP0Y5DrbTSWeQF Ff0WM7movEtEO/GocQ5BAomJLnGDAj1NXOol6PeTgTm7lv+YR7CUJSngkOhe7HRAfp55 0aXSukORfGglsB3dGs4UbWiXqJuWEwEB6Op7VGPlUFgx9n6H6DcMJSAhaVDd+f5IX2V1 QYML+ZmLlmx666aDMqQ7noFrFadixJuMdVFdCbTyhij0BXpP+KFL2hwUNLjJt93iEQYy ohjeX0AZJE0HZbO1B9kvKBk6lhV7H0cCVBQLf5TPh2ymexRYAJMjtJMmAzF2uXX/svZ3 Y6Ag== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.171.133 with SMTP id au5mr12452248oec.90.1354017306217; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 03:55:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.98.173 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2012 03:55:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <2E45169E9A237B4DA78078A68962F9EF06C71266@IMCMBX01.MITRE.ORG> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 11:55:06 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [VOTE] Retire Chukwa from incubation From: ant elder To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54fae3a8e8af404cf78b85f X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --bcaec54fae3a8e8af404cf78b85f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > One interesting point about consensus decision-making process is the > need to define the starting point. The process assumes that there is a > clear 'status quo', and that a consensus is required to change it. > This may not always be the appropriate way to think about retiring a > podling, but it's clearly the way we're thinking about this one. > > Does anyone else feel that this could have benefitted from a [DISCUSS] > before the [VOTE]. > > At the bottom line, if there are new mentors to be fully responsible, > I think it's reasonable to continue; however, I don't want to have > exactly the same conversation in N months. Would the new mentors like > to propose a time limit, and is the group willing to subscribe to the > notion that, if after that time, the new mentors have the same report > as the old mentors, we're at the end? > > Could we maybe include a time limit next month with the credible plan to give new mentors a little time to get up to speed with the project? ...ant --bcaec54fae3a8e8af404cf78b85f--