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[69.28.149.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id kc4sm12966027pbc.23.2012.11.28.12.46.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 28 Nov 2012 12:47:00 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Subject: Re: Retirement decision making From: Alan Cabrera In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 12:46:54 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0A28BB67-A452-4155-AC19-4CF41352A898@toolazydogs.com> References: To: general@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlZkzKHWDqqSZeM3WHiVvhUwYujSw4B4HoN+E9pja5041dEnzugeOmlyyly93GCYfE42G1E X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org I've been giving this some thought and I've worked hard at keeping it = short and sweet. So finer points are left out but I hope they are = obvious. What does ASF's Imprimatur mean? =20 Does it mean that project is diverse and vibrant? No.=20 Does it mean that the project's committers and PMC members are = trustworthy? Yes. I'm wondering if it makes sense to do away with the diversity and = vibrant dictum and merely state that at least one person is reasonably = active and that all the PMC members are trustworthy. =20 If we do this then all manner of things are simplified especially with = respect to those projects that were, seemingly, unfairly fast tracked. Regards, Alan On Nov 28, 2012, at 6:57 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > The question of a time limit is like other questions we deal with: we > don't want to set a hard limit, but the idea of incubation going along > for years and years is not consistent with the vision of what the > incubator is. Sam was at pains to present this dilemma, not to ask for > some kind of hard limit. >=20 > Ross, I can now see how your 'follow the mentors' model should have > the effect of solving this problem, too. >=20 > I didn't start this thread with 'we have a broken process,' I started > it with, 'I want to clarify what our process is.' >=20 > To me, this discussion feeds my prior belief that we need to continue > to emphasize the importance of active, engaged, mentors, and see their > absence in a podling as a problem that demands attention. >=20 > There are people here (notable Greg) who are very skeptical of this > mentor-centric model. However, it seems to me that the consensus of > the community continues to be to try to tune/repair it, not replace > it. >=20 > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:41 AM, ant elder = wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz = >> wrote: >>=20 >>> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 3:24 PM, ant elder = wrote: >>>> ...Slow poddlings don't use much ASF resource so aren't a burden... >>>=20 >>> I disagree: podlings do use mentor's energy - graduating or retiring >>> them is a way to free up mentors for other incoming podlings. >>>=20 >>=20 >> I did say "If there are willing participants" which includes the = mentors. >>=20 >> And I don't think looking at mentors as a pot of resource is the = correct >> view. >>=20 >> ...ant >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org