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From Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: How to grow podling communities
Date Tue, 27 Nov 2012 01:59:22 GMT
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Ross Gardler
<rgardler@opendirective.com> wrote:
> Growing community is about "getting the message out there". There has to be someone in
the project who wants to do that. Some techniques are:
>
> - press
> - community events
> - mentoring (that is mentoring of potential new committers)
> - fast turnaround on patch reviews
> - regular releases
> - decent website
> - tutorials
> - screencasts
> - public discussion (even with self while no community exists)
>
> Developing code for one's own use is all well can good but it does not build community
and trying to build community doesn't, in the short term, write code. It's a catch-22.
>
> Personally I have no problem with a podling having low activity. A single developer doing
their thing in the incubator is not going to hurt anyone. What I'm concerned about is a podling
that is not doing any of the above community development activities or, even worse, is ignoring
potential contributors.
>
> I don't think it is the responsibility of ComDev to do this, although one could argue
ComDev should be documenting these techniques in ways useful to mentors. I don't think it
is the job of mentors (or the IPMC) to do this either. It is entirely the PPMC responsibility.
In my opinion.

My thought here is that ComDev is a source of useful advice, not a
group of people to do the work.


>
> Ross
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Benson Margulies [mailto:bimargulies@gmail.com]
>> Sent: 27 November 2012 00:22
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: How to grow podling communities
>>
>> Luciano,
>>
>> My five cents is this: growing communities is really, really, hard, and I don't
>> know that anyone at Apache has a recipe. If anyone does, it might be the
>> comdev committee. I'm not sure that this PMC can take it on. We can barely
>> muster the minimal supervision that the board requires of us. If a PPMC
>> wants help, it might be good for it to make contact with comdev.
>>
>> I hate to be such a pessimist, but I think that the incubator has to continue to
>> shrink until the number of podlings is in balance with the available
>> supervisory/mentor effort. At that point, maybe we can consider consider
>> more of an effort to support in addition to supervising.
>>
>> Just, however, my opinion.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Luciano Resende <luckbr1975@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > From: *Benson Margulies*
>> > Date: Monday, November 26, 2012
>> > Subject: [VOTE] Retire Chukwa from incubation
>> > To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
>> >
>> >
>> > For those voting -1, I'd like to see, on another thread, some
>> > discussion about just how we handle podlings where there are
>> > longstanding issues but no consensus on the PPMC. We've heading in the
>> > same direction on Photark, and some consensus about how or when to
>> > reach a respectful conclusion as a PMC that a project should be
>> > retired even if the PPMC is not of the same opinion would be useful.
>> > We cannot both say that we need projects to have active, supervising,
>> > mentors and shepherds and then not, in some fashion, act on what they
>> > tell us.
>> >
>> > -----
>> >
>> >
>> > I believe that the discussion we should have is how can we help
>> > struggling podlings to grow their community in a sustentable way.
>> > Recently, I have seen an increase in trying to push small communities
>> > to retirement, but i'm yet to see active mentors engaging and helping
>> > and motivating the podlings PPMC to find ways to grow.
>> >
>> > Growing communities when a project is backed by corporations that
>> > sponsor engineers to devote their full time volunteering at the
>> > project is much easier compared to those other projects that are
>> > developed by a small group of people, that devote their own free time
>> > and are passionate by the Apache brand, and doing truly open source
>> following the Apache Way.
>> >
>> > With my Community development hat, I would really like to see a wide
>> > discussion on how the IPMC and COMDEV PMC could find ways to help
>> > these struggling podlings succeed, instead of just giving ultimates
>> > for seeking retirement. Things that come to mind are : make it easier
>> > for new contributors to find tasks that they could work on, more
>> > visibility for podlings in Apache sponsored conferences, etc
>> >
>> > Thoughts ? Other possible ideas ?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > --
>> > Luciano Resende
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Luciano Resende
>> > http://people.apache.org/~lresende
>> > http://twitter.com/lresende1975
>> > http://lresende.blogspot.com/
>>
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