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From Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda
Date Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:17:43 GMT
Then call it LODen.

On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 8:04 PM, dsh <daniel.haischt@gmail.com> wrote:
> Btw, the important part missing up to now in this discussion is the OPEN in
> Linked OPEN Data. If I get it right without openness the whole idea will be
> crippled to a certain extend.
>
> Cheers
> Daniel
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 1:12 AM, Sebastian Schaffert <
> sebastian.schaffert@salzburgresearch.at> wrote:
>
>> Dear Ted,
>>
>> even though I agree that the term "Linked Data" is very generic, this is
>> out of my influence, and it describes quite well what the topic is about.
>> The term "Linked Data" has actually been proposed by Tim Berners-Lee:
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html
>>
>> and is used in the various standardisation efforts (like the W3C "Linked
>> Data Platform" recommendation mentioned in the proposal). There is also a
>> nice presentation from 2009 at TED:
>>
>> http://www.ted.com/talks/tim_berners_lee_on_the_next_web.html
>>
>> Linked Data is also already used by major enterprises like:
>> - BBC: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/BBC/
>> - Volkswagen:
>> http://semanticweb.com/volkswagen-das-auto-company-is-das-semantic-web-company_b23233
>> - German National Library:
>> http://www.dnb.de/EN/Service/DigitaleDienste/LinkedData/linkeddata_node.html
>>
>> So my fear that 'nobody is likely to understand the phrase "Linked Data"'
>> is very low for the future. If there have been other uses of the phrase in
>> Computer Science before they are now marginalized (if you can trust a
>> Google search for "Linked Data").
>>
>> That said, we take your concern serious (especially the legal issue) and
>> will discuss the issue on Monday. I am also grateful for the proposals that
>> have already been done on the list.
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Sebastian
>>
>>
>> Am 17.11.2012 um 23:49 schrieb Ted Dunning:
>>
>> > Frankly, the phrase "linked data" is also so generic as to be essentially
>> > meaningless outside your community.  There are many, many uses of this
>> > phrase in computer science that mean something completely different from
>> > what you guys seem to mean.
>> >
>> > It took me quite a bit of reading to figure out what you were talking
>> > about.  At the very least, you need to look at your supporting materials
>> > with a naive eye so that you can avoid the confusion that your name and
>> > terminology are likely to cause.
>> >
>> > Having a project name that memorializes a phrase that nobody is likely to
>> > understand without (lots of) supporting material and which is used by
>> other
>> > projects in roughly the same domain is problematic.
>> >
>> > My feeling is that I would be -0 on the name meaning that I think that it
>> > isn't good, but I wouldn't stand in the way by vetoing it.  You guys seem
>> > pretty attached to your terminology regardless of the merits and it
>> doesn't
>> > seem a big enough issue to be worth causing friction over it.
>> >
>> > You should be aware, however, that with these defects, it seems very
>> > unlikely to me that Apache would be able to help with trademark and name
>> > conflict issues.  That may not seem like a big deal now, but if your
>> > project really does get going and then somebody tries to take over your
>> > community with a nearly identically named product, it will definitely
>> feel
>> > like a big deal.  Take a look at what happens with Open Office all the
>> time.
>> >
>> > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Sebastian Schaffert <
>> > sebastian.schaffert@salzburgresearch.at> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I agree that "Linda" is a very generic name and as such there are
>> already
>> >> several projects out there with this name. On the other hand, we chose
>> >> "Linda" as an acronym for "Linked Data" in order to increase
>> >> recognizability especially in the domain we are targeting. For our
>> >> community, we think it would be quite easy to identify "Apache Linda"
>> with
>> >> the Linked Data Platform and not with a blackboard system or a
>> methodology
>> >> for parallel execution. A more artificial name would probably have a
>> harder
>> >> time establishing a brand (but of course the project is good enough to
>> >> manage ;-) ).
>> >>
>> >> In case the Incubator PMC still recommends to rename the project, I
>> agree
>> >> we should do it BEFORE starting up the project. We will discuss options
>> for
>> >> renaming on Monday (European Time) and come up with suggestions.
>> >>
>>
>> Sebastian
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