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From Ross Gardler <rgard...@opendirective.com>
Subject Re: Retirement decision making
Date Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:52:35 GMT
+1

For me mentoring ends when the PPMC is able to demonstrate that it can work
in a way that will build diversity, not necessarily when diversity is
achieved.

Ross

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On Nov 28, 2012 8:47 PM, "Alan Cabrera" <list@toolazydogs.com> wrote:

> I've been giving this some thought and I've worked hard at keeping it
> short and sweet.  So finer points are left out but I hope they are obvious.
>
> What does ASF's Imprimatur mean?
>
> Does it mean that project is diverse and vibrant?  No.
>
> Does it mean that the project's committers and PMC members are
> trustworthy?  Yes.
>
> I'm wondering if it makes sense to do away with the diversity and vibrant
> dictum and merely state that at least one person is reasonably active and
> that all the PMC members are trustworthy.
>
> If we do this then all manner of things are simplified especially with
> respect to those projects that were, seemingly, unfairly fast tracked.
>
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
>
>
> On Nov 28, 2012, at 6:57 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
>
> > The question of a time limit is like other questions we deal with: we
> > don't want to set a hard limit, but the idea of incubation going along
> > for years and years is not consistent with the vision of what the
> > incubator is. Sam was at pains to present this dilemma, not to ask for
> > some kind of hard limit.
> >
> > Ross, I can now see how your 'follow the mentors' model should have
> > the effect of solving this problem, too.
> >
> > I didn't start this thread with 'we have a broken process,' I started
> > it with, 'I want to clarify what our process is.'
> >
> > To me, this discussion feeds my prior belief that we need to continue
> > to emphasize the importance of active, engaged, mentors, and see their
> > absence in a podling as a problem that demands attention.
> >
> > There are people here (notable Greg) who are very skeptical of this
> > mentor-centric model. However, it seems to me that the consensus of
> > the community continues to be to try to tune/repair it, not replace
> > it.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:41 AM, ant elder <ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> bdelacretaz@apache.org
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 3:24 PM, ant elder <ant.elder@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> ...Slow poddlings don't use much ASF resource so aren't a burden...
> >>>
> >>> I disagree: podlings do use mentor's energy - graduating or retiring
> >>> them is a way to free up mentors for other incoming podlings.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I did say "If there are willing participants" which includes the
> mentors.
> >>
> >> And I don't think looking at mentors as a pot of resource is the correct
> >> view.
> >>
> >>   ...ant
> >
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