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From Ross Gardler <>
Subject Re: Retirement decision making
Date Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:14:26 GMT
On 29 November 2012 08:56, Bertrand Delacretaz <>wrote:

> On Wednesday, November 28, 2012, Greg Reddin wrote:
> > ...What difference does it make to
> > the ASF if a project is very small or very slow?...
> IMO, as long as there's three or more active PMC members who react when
> needed, and provide the quarterly board reports, a small/slow project is
> fine and there's no need to move it to the attic.

+1 - oversight is what matters. If the PMC is happy to continue as is then
all is good. As previously stated my concern is whether the PMC is
operating in a way in which the building and maintenance of a diverse
community is possible. For example, when a new patch turns up are they
reviewing and applying it and are they bringing in the new community member.

Note that in this months reports the board were asked, by a TLP, for
feedback on the "dormant" state they found themselves in, the PMC was
reactive when necessary but not proactively developing the code or the
community. The boards feedback was in line with Bertrands comment above -
the PMC is providing sufficient oversight so no problem. In another case
this month a TLP indicated one of their sub-projects was dormant to the
extent that patches were not being reviewed. The board asked if there was a
plan and the PMC responded with unity that it will be addressed. So no
problem, the PMC is aware of the issue and is addressing it.

Drawing this to its natural conclusion a podling should be graduated once
it demonstrates an ability to operate as an Apache project without the need
for binding IPMC votes on releases etc.  A podling should be retired if
there is insufficient interest from both the PPMC and the IPMC to move it
towards this state (which brings me back to my original 3 stages of
decision making about podling retirement).

(Ant's email about "trust" overlapped with me typing this one, I think that
is another side of the same coin and fully support his comments)


Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
Programme Leader (Open Development)

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