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From dsh <daniel.hais...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Linda
Date Sun, 18 Nov 2012 01:04:44 GMT
Btw, the important part missing up to now in this discussion is the OPEN in
Linked OPEN Data. If I get it right without openness the whole idea will be
crippled to a certain extend.

Cheers
Daniel


On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 1:12 AM, Sebastian Schaffert <
sebastian.schaffert@salzburgresearch.at> wrote:

> Dear Ted,
>
> even though I agree that the term "Linked Data" is very generic, this is
> out of my influence, and it describes quite well what the topic is about.
> The term "Linked Data" has actually been proposed by Tim Berners-Lee:
>
> http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html
>
> and is used in the various standardisation efforts (like the W3C "Linked
> Data Platform" recommendation mentioned in the proposal). There is also a
> nice presentation from 2009 at TED:
>
> http://www.ted.com/talks/tim_berners_lee_on_the_next_web.html
>
> Linked Data is also already used by major enterprises like:
> - BBC: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/BBC/
> - Volkswagen:
> http://semanticweb.com/volkswagen-das-auto-company-is-das-semantic-web-company_b23233
> - German National Library:
> http://www.dnb.de/EN/Service/DigitaleDienste/LinkedData/linkeddata_node.html
>
> So my fear that 'nobody is likely to understand the phrase "Linked Data"'
> is very low for the future. If there have been other uses of the phrase in
> Computer Science before they are now marginalized (if you can trust a
> Google search for "Linked Data").
>
> That said, we take your concern serious (especially the legal issue) and
> will discuss the issue on Monday. I am also grateful for the proposals that
> have already been done on the list.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Sebastian
>
>
> Am 17.11.2012 um 23:49 schrieb Ted Dunning:
>
> > Frankly, the phrase "linked data" is also so generic as to be essentially
> > meaningless outside your community.  There are many, many uses of this
> > phrase in computer science that mean something completely different from
> > what you guys seem to mean.
> >
> > It took me quite a bit of reading to figure out what you were talking
> > about.  At the very least, you need to look at your supporting materials
> > with a naive eye so that you can avoid the confusion that your name and
> > terminology are likely to cause.
> >
> > Having a project name that memorializes a phrase that nobody is likely to
> > understand without (lots of) supporting material and which is used by
> other
> > projects in roughly the same domain is problematic.
> >
> > My feeling is that I would be -0 on the name meaning that I think that it
> > isn't good, but I wouldn't stand in the way by vetoing it.  You guys seem
> > pretty attached to your terminology regardless of the merits and it
> doesn't
> > seem a big enough issue to be worth causing friction over it.
> >
> > You should be aware, however, that with these defects, it seems very
> > unlikely to me that Apache would be able to help with trademark and name
> > conflict issues.  That may not seem like a big deal now, but if your
> > project really does get going and then somebody tries to take over your
> > community with a nearly identically named product, it will definitely
> feel
> > like a big deal.  Take a look at what happens with Open Office all the
> time.
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Sebastian Schaffert <
> > sebastian.schaffert@salzburgresearch.at> wrote:
> >
> >> I agree that "Linda" is a very generic name and as such there are
> already
> >> several projects out there with this name. On the other hand, we chose
> >> "Linda" as an acronym for "Linked Data" in order to increase
> >> recognizability especially in the domain we are targeting. For our
> >> community, we think it would be quite easy to identify "Apache Linda"
> with
> >> the Linked Data Platform and not with a blackboard system or a
> methodology
> >> for parallel execution. A more artificial name would probably have a
> harder
> >> time establishing a brand (but of course the project is good enough to
> >> manage ;-) ).
> >>
> >> In case the Incubator PMC still recommends to rename the project, I
> agree
> >> we should do it BEFORE starting up the project. We will discuss options
> for
> >> renaming on Monday (European Time) and come up with suggestions.
> >>
>
> Sebastian
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