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From Alan Cabrera <l...@toolazydogs.com>
Subject Re: How to grow podling communities
Date Tue, 27 Nov 2012 04:03:56 GMT
I wonder if we can ask that incubation proposals include how they intend to get the message
out there.  What channels are relevant for the project?  I guess what are their marketing
plans.

Eventually, we'd have a collection of old incubation proposals that new podlings could use
to garner ideas on how to market and grow their community.


Regards,
Alan

On Nov 26, 2012, at 5:50 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:

> Growing community is about "getting the message out there". There has to be someone in
the project who wants to do that. Some techniques are:
> 
> - press
> - community events
> - mentoring (that is mentoring of potential new committers)
> - fast turnaround on patch reviews
> - regular releases
> - decent website
> - tutorials
> - screencasts
> - public discussion (even with self while no community exists)
> 
> Developing code for one's own use is all well can good but it does not build community
and trying to build community doesn't, in the short term, write code. It's a catch-22.
> 
> Personally I have no problem with a podling having low activity. A single developer doing
their thing in the incubator is not going to hurt anyone. What I'm concerned about is a podling
that is not doing any of the above community development activities or, even worse, is ignoring
potential contributors.
> 
> I don't think it is the responsibility of ComDev to do this, although one could argue
ComDev should be documenting these techniques in ways useful to mentors. I don't think it
is the job of mentors (or the IPMC) to do this either. It is entirely the PPMC responsibility.
In my opinion.
> 
> Ross
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Benson Margulies [mailto:bimargulies@gmail.com]
>> Sent: 27 November 2012 00:22
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: How to grow podling communities
>> 
>> Luciano,
>> 
>> My five cents is this: growing communities is really, really, hard, and I don't
>> know that anyone at Apache has a recipe. If anyone does, it might be the
>> comdev committee. I'm not sure that this PMC can take it on. We can barely
>> muster the minimal supervision that the board requires of us. If a PPMC
>> wants help, it might be good for it to make contact with comdev.
>> 
>> I hate to be such a pessimist, but I think that the incubator has to continue to
>> shrink until the number of podlings is in balance with the available
>> supervisory/mentor effort. At that point, maybe we can consider consider
>> more of an effort to support in addition to supervising.
>> 
>> Just, however, my opinion.
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Luciano Resende <luckbr1975@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: *Benson Margulies*
>>> Date: Monday, November 26, 2012
>>> Subject: [VOTE] Retire Chukwa from incubation
>>> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> For those voting -1, I'd like to see, on another thread, some
>>> discussion about just how we handle podlings where there are
>>> longstanding issues but no consensus on the PPMC. We've heading in the
>>> same direction on Photark, and some consensus about how or when to
>>> reach a respectful conclusion as a PMC that a project should be
>>> retired even if the PPMC is not of the same opinion would be useful.
>>> We cannot both say that we need projects to have active, supervising,
>>> mentors and shepherds and then not, in some fashion, act on what they
>>> tell us.
>>> 
>>> -----
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I believe that the discussion we should have is how can we help
>>> struggling podlings to grow their community in a sustentable way.
>>> Recently, I have seen an increase in trying to push small communities
>>> to retirement, but i'm yet to see active mentors engaging and helping
>>> and motivating the podlings PPMC to find ways to grow.
>>> 
>>> Growing communities when a project is backed by corporations that
>>> sponsor engineers to devote their full time volunteering at the
>>> project is much easier compared to those other projects that are
>>> developed by a small group of people, that devote their own free time
>>> and are passionate by the Apache brand, and doing truly open source
>> following the Apache Way.
>>> 
>>> With my Community development hat, I would really like to see a wide
>>> discussion on how the IPMC and COMDEV PMC could find ways to help
>>> these struggling podlings succeed, instead of just giving ultimates
>>> for seeking retirement. Things that come to mind are : make it easier
>>> for new contributors to find tasks that they could work on, more
>>> visibility for podlings in Apache sponsored conferences, etc
>>> 
>>> Thoughts ? Other possible ideas ?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> --
>>> Luciano Resende
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Luciano Resende
>>> http://people.apache.org/~lresende
>>> http://twitter.com/lresende1975
>>> http://lresende.blogspot.com/
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