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From Daniel Shahaf <...@daniel.shahaf.name>
Subject Re: Anticipating my reign of terror -- new idea for December
Date Mon, 05 Nov 2012 07:49:16 GMT
Upayavira wrote on Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 06:48:28 +0000:
> Having said that, I personally would like to see some kind of separation
> between mentors and the incubator PMC. I think th PMC should be a
> smaller, more active group who take a more active interest in the
> incubator as it is, and perhaps are voted in by proper meritocracy
> rules, and mentors are more interested in justd their project.
> 
> Not sure how to structure this in tems of voting rights though.
> 

What voting rights?  The ability of non-"smaller, more active group"
mentors to cast "PMC +1" votes on releases?

How about simply making those people full-fledged, equal-right PMC
members _for the duration of their mentorship_.  (That is: have them
join the PMC when they start mentoring a podling, and resign from the
PMC when that podling graduates or retires, or they step down from
mentorship.)  We trust them with exactly that power today...

> Upayavira
> 
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 03:20 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > I want to thank all of you for the vote(s) of confidence in recommending me
> > > as the IPMC chair. While it's always possible that the Board will decline
> > > the suggestion, it doesn't seem too terribly presumptuous to start looking
> > > ahead.
> > >
> > > My goal is to continue along the path blazed by Jukka, and then, like him,
> > > hand over. So, set your egg-timers for a bit more than a year, and think,
> > > please, about stepping up.
> > >
> > > I think that the shepherd system has worked well. At the same time, I think
> > > that it was invented to compensate for a problem, and that we could make
> > > additional progress toward resolving that problem.
> > >
> > > Why do we have shepherds? Because we have had mentors who have found it
> > > impractical to exercise detailed supervision on the podlings. Our job as an
> > > entire PMC is to supervise the podlings. It seems logical to me that the
> > > mentors of each podling would provide that supervision. Of course, things
> > > happen. Shepherds have been helping to detect holes and compensate for
> > > those things.
> > >
> > > With this idea in mind, for December, I do not want to eliminate shepherds.
> > > But I want to float a proposal that might, over time, help us stop needing
> > > them.
> > >
> > > At the bottom of the template for each podling's report, I'd like to have a
> > > space for each of the mentors, every month, to reaffirm his or her
> > > involvement in the podling. Thus, instead of (at most) one mentor signing
> > > off on the report, itself, we'd get a reading on how many mentors are in
> > > the game. If the number were less than 3 -- and -- especially, if it were
> > > less than one, we'd be alerted and could make it a priority to find
> > > replacements.
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > 
> > +1 on the general idea.
> > 
> > Personally, I believe that anything that simplifies the structure of
> > the incubation
> > process is a good thing.
> > 
> > On that same note -- my current understanding is that the mentor
> > assignment is
> > pretty permanent for the duration of the incubation -- if that's
> > indeed the case,
> > perhaps having a more fluid process of mentor checking out and stepping
> > up
> > to help a project would also help us have a more positive experience for
> > the
> > poddlings.
> > 
> > IOW, for any other TLP there's a presumption that a single PMC (or
> > committer)
> > can have a certain amount of down time when, for whatever reason, they
> > may
> > completely go dark as far project involvement is concerned. I'm not sure
> > there's
> > such an option for a mentor.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Roman.
> > 
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