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From Upayavira ...@odoko.co.uk>
Subject Re: Anticipating my reign of terror -- new idea for December
Date Mon, 05 Nov 2012 07:54:36 GMT

On Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 07:49 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
> Upayavira wrote on Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 06:48:28 +0000:
> > Having said that, I personally would like to see some kind of separation
> > between mentors and the incubator PMC. I think th PMC should be a
> > smaller, more active group who take a more active interest in the
> > incubator as it is, and perhaps are voted in by proper meritocracy
> > rules, and mentors are more interested in justd their project.
> > 
> > Not sure how to structure this in tems of voting rights though.
> > 
> 
> What voting rights?  The ability of non-"smaller, more active group"
> mentors to cast "PMC +1" votes on releases?
> 
> How about simply making those people full-fledged, equal-right PMC
> members _for the duration of their mentorship_.  (That is: have them
> join the PMC when they start mentoring a podling, and resign from the
> PMC when that podling graduates or retires, or they step down from
> mentorship.)  We trust them with exactly that power today...

If you had mentors who weren't incubator PMC members, they wouldn't be
able to make binding votes.

Upayavira

> 
> > Upayavira
> > 
> > On Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 03:20 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > > On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > I want to thank all of you for the vote(s) of confidence in recommending
me
> > > > as the IPMC chair. While it's always possible that the Board will decline
> > > > the suggestion, it doesn't seem too terribly presumptuous to start looking
> > > > ahead.
> > > >
> > > > My goal is to continue along the path blazed by Jukka, and then, like
him,
> > > > hand over. So, set your egg-timers for a bit more than a year, and think,
> > > > please, about stepping up.
> > > >
> > > > I think that the shepherd system has worked well. At the same time, I
think
> > > > that it was invented to compensate for a problem, and that we could make
> > > > additional progress toward resolving that problem.
> > > >
> > > > Why do we have shepherds? Because we have had mentors who have found it
> > > > impractical to exercise detailed supervision on the podlings. Our job
as an
> > > > entire PMC is to supervise the podlings. It seems logical to me that the
> > > > mentors of each podling would provide that supervision. Of course, things
> > > > happen. Shepherds have been helping to detect holes and compensate for
> > > > those things.
> > > >
> > > > With this idea in mind, for December, I do not want to eliminate shepherds.
> > > > But I want to float a proposal that might, over time, help us stop needing
> > > > them.
> > > >
> > > > At the bottom of the template for each podling's report, I'd like to have
a
> > > > space for each of the mentors, every month, to reaffirm his or her
> > > > involvement in the podling. Thus, instead of (at most) one mentor signing
> > > > off on the report, itself, we'd get a reading on how many mentors are
in
> > > > the game. If the number were less than 3 -- and -- especially, if it were
> > > > less than one, we'd be alerted and could make it a priority to find
> > > > replacements.
> > > >
> > > > What do you think?
> > > 
> > > +1 on the general idea.
> > > 
> > > Personally, I believe that anything that simplifies the structure of
> > > the incubation
> > > process is a good thing.
> > > 
> > > On that same note -- my current understanding is that the mentor
> > > assignment is
> > > pretty permanent for the duration of the incubation -- if that's
> > > indeed the case,
> > > perhaps having a more fluid process of mentor checking out and stepping
> > > up
> > > to help a project would also help us have a more positive experience for
> > > the
> > > poddlings.
> > > 
> > > IOW, for any other TLP there's a presumption that a single PMC (or
> > > committer)
> > > can have a certain amount of down time when, for whatever reason, they
> > > may
> > > completely go dark as far project involvement is concerned. I'm not sure
> > > there's
> > > such an option for a mentor.
> > > 
> > > Thanks,
> > > Roman.
> > > 
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