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From Chip Childers <chip.child...@sungard.com>
Subject Re: Shipping binary file in CloudStack release
Date Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:13:22 GMT
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org> wrote:
> On 29 October 2012 14:48, Chip Childers <chip.childers@sungard.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org> wrote:
>> > Thanks for following up Chip. Though I do just want to clarify one
>> > misconception.
>> >
>> > On 29 October 2012 13:21, Chip Childers <chip.childers@sungard.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I actually have more than enough votes right now to close the thread
>> >> out on the project's dev list, and open up a vote for the IPMC.
>> >
>> >
>> > No you don't.
>> >
>> > To me, this sounds like you're saying "to be honest, I could just close
>> the
>> > vote and ship this right now if I wanted to." I'm not sure if that was
>> the
>> > intended message.
>>
>> Nope, that's not what I was saying.  That's taking a single comment
>> out of the context of the larger email.
>
>
> Well, in fairness, that is how I understood it *within* the context of your
> entire email. I hope you don't think I was just looking for something to
> take out of context to disagree with you on? I think we know each other
> better than that by now! ;)
>

I'll try to be more clear next time.  I'm holding the vote open
specifically because of this outstanding question, *regardless* of the
current tally.  That's what I was expressing.

>
>> > But regardless, you couldn't. A single -1 vote would be
>> > enough to block the release. Binding or not binding. It doesn't matter.
>> If
>> > somebody expresses a real, and justified, concern about the artefact,
>> then
>> > you don't release until you've addressed that concern.
>>
>> If that's true, then should the release policy [1] be updated?
>>
>> [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#approving-a-release
>
>
> Perhaps.
>
> I know I started out RMing with the idea that I just needed to collect more
> +1 votes than -1 votes. But I think that's broken in practice. I think if
> you have a valid, justified, -1 vote, and you release without addressing
> it, then there is something SERIOUSLY wrong.
>
> --
> NS

No disagreement.  Again, that's why I'm holding the vote open until we
get enough clarity on the topic being discussed here.

IMO, fixing this in the policy would include a statement about the RM
having the right (but not the obligation) to abort the vote based on
any individual issue raised by a voter.  But perhaps this is a topic
for another list...

Using this thread a specific example, I'll abort if the advice here is
that waf needs to be removed in it's current form.

-chip

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