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From Suresh Marru <sma...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Jr. Mentor role
Date Thu, 11 Oct 2012 16:58:09 GMT
On Oct 11, 2012, at 4:32 AM, Upayavira <uv@odoko.co.uk> wrote:

> There's that, and also the fact that no two mentors have the same level
> of experience anyway, so what you describe is possible within the
> current structures, just isn't formalized.

I am not sure if formalizing the role is neded. I agree with Upayavira that the current structure
has varying expertise anyway. And more mentoring varies from one mentor to another. I have
seen one mentor focuses on community aspects more, while others focus on releases and legal
requirements more and so on. All of these roles combined are very helpful.

But great suggestion Luciano (to use all the incumbent IPMC to help more while experiences
are fresh). My personal opinion is, the easiest way to look for projects needing help is during
releases. If a project comes to general list without the needed binding 3 IPMC votes, its
highly likely that podling needs mentors who can spare time to validate the releases. If any
podling is struggling to get the releases out, it might be useful for us to even take one
more extra step and subscribe to the podling dev list and help getting the releases right
even before they are called for vote.

Suresh

> 
> I guess I would encourage you to do as Luciano suggests, and to chat to
> mentors on a project that you might help with. It is not uncommon for
> mentors to feel stretched, and thus might appreciate some help with
> their mentoring duties.
> 
> Upayavira
> 
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 06:19 AM, Luciano Resende wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <rvs@apache.org> wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>> 
>>> ever since Bigtop has incubated I've been thinking
>>> about the experience that I've had and that it would
>>> be very nice if I could help the new projects at least
>>> 1/10th the amount of help I received from some of the
>>> mentors.
>>> 
>>> Also, seeing a steady stream of graduating projects
>>> I would imagine that some of the newly appointed
>>> VPs might also want to help (especially while the
>>> experience of going through the Incubator is still
>>> fresh :-)).
>>> 
>>> Now, as it stands it seems like there are two issues
>>> that would prevent somebody like me to actually
>>> help the existing pool of mentors shoulder the
>>> responsibility of shepherding the new podlings:
>>>   #1 formal mentors are required to be IMPC
>>>   #2 the good mentoring skills need to be honed
>>>        over time and can't be assumed
>>> 
>>> So here's what I'm wondering: is there a place for
>>> a Jr. Mentor type of a role within the Incubator?
>>> Basically somebody who can help more Sr. mentors
>>> with more mundane tasks, but still deffer to their
>>> judgement in certain cases.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Roman.
>>> 
>> 
>> While official mentors are responsible to help the podling and also
>> report back to IPMC when there are issues, anyone can join a community
>> (podling or TLP) and help the community on "The Apache Way" and with
>> time, you would be recognized by your peers and start building Karma
>> towards different levels at Apache and the projects.
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Luciano Resende
>> http://people.apache.org/~lresende
>> http://twitter.com/lresende1975
>> http://lresende.blogspot.com/
>> 
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