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From Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Shipping binary file in CloudStack release
Date Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:32:15 GMT
Bertrand, is a compressed archive of source a source or a binary?

On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org> wrote:

> Nice summary Bertrand.
>
>
> On 29 October 2012 15:22, Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacretaz@apache.org>wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Chip Childers
>> <chip.childers@sungard.com> wrote:
>>> ...Waf is a packaging utility, used to create RPMs and DEBs.  Work is
>>> currently ongoing to remove it (and it's use) from the project
>>> entirely...
>>> ...That will be several weeks of work (not days),
>>> which is significantly longer than the community's desire to get a
>>> first podling release out the door...
>>
>> I don't think any Incubator PMC member is asking you to remove that
>> dependency, as I see it the only issue is that you are currently
>> aiming to release in in binary form.
>>
>>> ...It's one line of bytecode within a file that is not core to the
>>> project itself ...
>>
>> I don't think the issue is how big or how small that thing is: we do
>> not release binaries, see http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html
>>
>> So IMO your options now are:
>>
>> a) Fix the problem and recut your release without that binary. Make it
>> a separate -deps convenience package.
> I concur with Chip that this would come with a non-negligible cost to
> community spirit at this point. We've already been through a few rounds. I
> would +0 this is the community wanted to do it, but I would also
> be disappointed that we had to stop the release for something so minor.
>
>
>> b) Come up with a documented plan (issue in your tracker for example)
>> for how you're going to remove it from future releases, and still try
>> to get this release through.
>
> Given the relative unimportance, and size, of the file in question, I would
> be willing to cast a binding +1 vote (as mentor and very new member of the
> Incubator PMC) on this, if we would say for definite that we remove this
> problem for the next release. But I was looking for some confirmation from
> this list that this is OK.
>
>
>> c) Try to convince us that such things are not really important, which
>> does not seem successful so far.
>
> Yes, I don't think that's going to happen.
>
>
>> IMO, doing a) will get you immediate +1s. It's not uncommon for
>> podling releases to go through a few iterations before being accepted,
>> so I'm not sure what the problem with creating a separate -deps
>> package is.
>>
>> Choosing b) or c) lowers your chances for mentors and Incubator PMC to
>> give their +1s to the release.
>>
>> -Bertrand
>>
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