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Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 16:35:12 -0400
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Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
From: Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com>
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On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Rob Weir <robweir@apache.org> wrote:
>...
> Or if someone who cared sufficiently about this policy area took
> ownership and proposed a wording of the policy, either as a Board
> resolution, or on legal-discuss, and had that policy approved and
> recorded via the ordinary means.

That's why people keep saying: go to legal-discuss. Stop worrying about it here.

And to be clear: we're talked about authenticated/blessed binaries.
Not convenience artifacts. I think you're well aware of this, yet you
keep conflating the two. I don't know why, except maybe to aggravate
people. It certainly isn't engendering good will.

> Right now is is unfair to say that I, or anyone else in the podling,
> is "rebellious" or opposes ASF Policy in this area, since no one seems
> to be able to say what the policy actually is, in specific and
> actionable terms, and why they think AOO podling is or is not in
> compliance.

It is totally fair when everybody keeps telling you: no blessed
binaries, and you refuse to listen.

> I can give the IPMC a hand here, if my point is too obscure.  A policy
> might look like this:
>
> Resolved:   An Apache project's release consists of a canonical source
> artifact, voted on and approved by the PMC.  A PMC can also distribute
> additional, non-source artifacts, including documentation, binaries,
> samples, etc., that are provided for the convenience of the user.
> These non-source artifacts must must be buildable from the canonical
> source artifact.  Additional 3rd party libraries may be included
> solely in compliance with license policies defined by Apache Legal
> Affairs.  Additionally the non-source artifacts (or the PMC) must
> ____________    and must not _________________.

That's existing policy. As people keep saying (most recently, Joe, in
no uncertain terms).

-g

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