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From Tomer Shiran <tshi...@maprtech.com>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Drill for the Apache Incubator
Date Tue, 07 Aug 2012 16:40:36 GMT
FYI: I have posted the proposal to the wiki and updated it based on the
feedback from Marvin and Jakob:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DrillProposal

On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com> wrote:

> In fact, a big part of the motivation for proposing incubation before code
> is ready is exactly to foster the discussions needed to form community.
>
> It is true that many projects that start without the fundamentals face
> challenges that more mature projects face but that is really just a fact of
> life with young projects.
>
> My own experience includes a project that also started without an initial
> code drop.  Mahout has gone on to have a vibrant welcoming community that
> has fostered the donation and development of some very valuable software.
>  I expect Drill will be able to say the same thing before long.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 6, 2012, at 2:55 PM, Jakob Homan <jghoman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Any reason the design docs can't be put up in place of where the
> > source would normally go?
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Tomer Shiran <tshiran@maprtech.com>
> wrote:
> >> Marvin, thanks for commenting on the proposal! The initial committers
> have
> >> been working on the design for several months, and will commit the
> design
> >> once the project is approved, so we do not expect much friction during
> the
> >> design phase. With that said, we certainly do want to engage others
> early
> >> on, and our goal in incubating earlier is to encourage feedback and
> >> contributions when it is still easy to change the APIs and extensibility
> >> points. This is important because Drill (unlike, say, Google's Dremel)
> must
> >> be really flexible in order to be relevant to a broad user base,
> allowing
> >> multiple data sources, data formats and query languages. While many
> >> projects enter incubation with a complete implementation, others don't,
> and
> >> due to the nature of this project we think that in this case it is
> better
> >> to start earlier.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Tomer
> >>
> >> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Marvin Humphrey <marvin@rectangular.com
> >wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Initial Source
> >>>> ==============
> >>>> There is no initial source code. All source code will be developed
> within
> >>>> the Apache Incubator.
> >>>
> >>> Coming in without any source code is going to pose a challenge to this
> >>> podling.
> >>>
> >>>    http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#incubator
> >>>
> >>>    The incubator filters projects on the basis of the likeliness of
> >>> them becoming
> >>>    successful meritocratic communities. The basic requirements for
> >>> incubation
> >>>    are:
> >>>
> >>>        * a working codebase -- over the years and after several
> failures,
> >>> the
> >>>          foundation came to understand that without an initial working
> >>>          codebase, it is generally hard to bootstrap a community. This
> is
> >>>          because merit is not well recognized by developers without a
> >>> working
> >>>          codebase. Also, the friction that is developed during the
> initial
> >>>          design stage is likely to fragment the community.
> >>>
> >>> That last line in particular seems like something to watch out for.
> >>>
> >>> Marvin Humphrey
> >>>
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