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From Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Drill for the Apache Incubator
Date Mon, 06 Aug 2012 21:23:52 GMT
No reason at all. 

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On Aug 6, 2012, at 2:55 PM, Jakob Homan <jghoman@gmail.com> wrote:

> Any reason the design docs can't be put up in place of where the
> source would normally go?
> 
> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Tomer Shiran <tshiran@maprtech.com> wrote:
>> Marvin, thanks for commenting on the proposal! The initial committers have
>> been working on the design for several months, and will commit the design
>> once the project is approved, so we do not expect much friction during the
>> design phase. With that said, we certainly do want to engage others early
>> on, and our goal in incubating earlier is to encourage feedback and
>> contributions when it is still easy to change the APIs and extensibility
>> points. This is important because Drill (unlike, say, Google's Dremel) must
>> be really flexible in order to be relevant to a broad user base, allowing
>> multiple data sources, data formats and query languages. While many
>> projects enter incubation with a complete implementation, others don't, and
>> due to the nature of this project we think that in this case it is better
>> to start earlier.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Tomer
>> 
>> On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Marvin Humphrey <marvin@rectangular.com>wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Initial Source
>>>> ==============
>>>> There is no initial source code. All source code will be developed within
>>>> the Apache Incubator.
>>> 
>>> Coming in without any source code is going to pose a challenge to this
>>> podling.
>>> 
>>>    http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#incubator
>>> 
>>>    The incubator filters projects on the basis of the likeliness of
>>> them becoming
>>>    successful meritocratic communities. The basic requirements for
>>> incubation
>>>    are:
>>> 
>>>        * a working codebase -- over the years and after several failures,
>>> the
>>>          foundation came to understand that without an initial working
>>>          codebase, it is generally hard to bootstrap a community. This is
>>>          because merit is not well recognized by developers without a
>>> working
>>>          codebase. Also, the friction that is developed during the initial
>>>          design stage is likely to fragment the community.
>>> 
>>> That last line in particular seems like something to watch out for.
>>> 
>>> Marvin Humphrey
>>> 
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