Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6CDECDE12 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 16:21:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 5311 invoked by uid 500); 26 Jul 2012 16:21:31 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 5143 invoked by uid 500); 26 Jul 2012 16:21:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 5134 invoked by uid 99); 26 Jul 2012 16:21:31 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 16:21:31 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of gary.martin@wandisco.com designates 74.125.83.47 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.125.83.47] (HELO mail-ee0-f47.google.com) (74.125.83.47) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 16:21:23 +0000 Received: by eekb57 with SMTP id b57so376039eek.6 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 09:21:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=8iaI3W8CrLr2z+RpNAS+oHZQKJ3UHNYW+rtQGAHT4RM=; b=pDyeR0KbrKuFqAvhEo4b2vVOki+I0+Hf66b82X3xfOZGwd0GuSXY6DSXbG9AqZ8Lau sEgtdoX58uEvdboz9qVi1VH7VkrtrBM1uvGZ1pkXiiLiSIgYS/XG6cIrJ0Ujq9VkbkXh IPe6qhiPQTH4QtYInemmH99PoNInpqJHFoQrpnAcTALdFTN2shmmKxnIHteEhf6MHkT9 oXXPwQbMnQw7zJR0OPOOb4mHgc5UWK03miSPdnhBnRicHqtk3AsIooe/zDbfUlUw+O8i XHBKo3UjYIXpVTstXywI2AJwXimTZDCgRU3O3nGqwJJxqAx7s7V2MyhUCgrydqxnkQYE 90ZQ== Received: by 10.14.198.131 with SMTP id v3mr4719408een.26.1343319661740; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 09:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.2.5.127] ([77.86.30.139]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f45sm9958476eep.12.2012.07.26.09.21.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 26 Jul 2012 09:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <50116E6A.5010904@wandisco.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 17:20:58 +0100 From: Gary Martin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120615 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Incubator release task force References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlB0DVePGD+qWjvEpK2QgbMdOgJE7tQSeS7VXTlDwCEbyVvOZlgpBxlPmSeM1XXup2mqlX5 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org As someone who is currently attempting to go through their first release, I am not really in the category of someone who could be in such a taskforce. However, I am very interested in seeing an improvement in the release documentation. I would certainly consider looking back over my recent experience to potentially offer suggestions for updating the documentation. It might not be a task that other first time release managers would want to add to their workload but, if this kind of contribution is seen as valuable, I would hope that it would not hurt to ask. Cheers, Gary On 07/26/2012 03:10 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Hi, > > The Incubator ships about half a dozen releases each month on average, > but our release process is notoriously lengthy, fraught with problems, > and badly documented. If this was any other project, we'd have had a > well-oiled release process in place already years ago. > > Much of our extra release overhead can of course be attributed to the > high release manager turnaround (ideally nobody would make more than > one or at most a few incubating releases) and the different > requirements (source layout, build process, packaging style, > distribution channels, etc.) of different podlings. However, there's > much that we could do that so far hasn't been done or has been > sidetracked. For example, our current release guide [1] is the result > of quite a bit of work, but without a clear vision accompanied with a > process of incremental improvements it's become a mess that few people > read, let alone understand. > > I'd like to start fixing this by forming a "release task force" of a > handful of volunteers who are ready to invest an hour or two per week > to work on a) helping podlings get their releases out, b) migrating > /dist/incubator to svnpubsub by the end of this year as requested by > infra, c) improving related documentation, and d) proposing updates to > the Incubator release policy if needed to streamline the process. In > concrete terms I'd like the task force to 1) be the first port of call > for podlings who're failing to get enough +1s from their mentors and > 2) to contribute a short updates (one sentence to one paragraph) on > their progress for inclusion in the monthly Incubator board reports. > > Anyone interested? > > [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html > > BR, > > Jukka Zitting > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org