Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E2337C09B for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 15:46:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 5877 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jul 2012 15:46:37 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 5664 invoked by uid 500); 5 Jul 2012 15:46:36 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 5656 invoked by uid 99); 5 Jul 2012 15:46:36 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 15:46:36 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of elecharny@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.47 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.125.83.47] (HELO mail-ee0-f47.google.com) (74.125.83.47) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 15:46:28 +0000 Received: by eekd49 with SMTP id d49so3261133eek.6 for ; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 08:46:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=j+AmMWTX73phQXxTBWhG7fUWLDEua2cwVjUATNSB958=; b=UbAivDuTHV1pN9y7OyYFimGArp7/uSirppUXlfKVMKaqauqHSsq4wJ9KB/+GG051A8 B8GypyvDgXYhXaMkph/yoAv463recCam69xZcKWfs8oONDlr/1RPjyy2IciGsIioeLfZ IFcNvIP2AgGDAbDH7QGY+LARQ1P/WE4mC1CIriWADZ4A2a4AV6TOOQhN6WncP0DpyCt8 h99VXKTMUANf35T8BAqTfj8fLusymz7K+p/cP59AsU/+FzLFEZDjJv70aJuWsGMVHalh w8Xd46RBaQq3FD5iW5g/d/ER1JPTeAhjlas6J+3aEjoIBVZDINflskRlRLGUPdV86tkw mMag== Received: by 10.14.29.4 with SMTP id h4mr6208386eea.178.1341503168632; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 08:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Emmanuels-MacBook-Pro.local ([78.251.114.192]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v16sm63945201eem.17.2012.07.05.08.46.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 05 Jul 2012 08:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FF5B6BF.1020507@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 17:46:07 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?RW1tYW51ZWwgTMOpY2hhcm55?= Reply-To: elecharny@apache.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Vote or embedded in discussion? (was Re: [VOTE] Retire AWF from incubation) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le 7/5/12 11:44 AM, Martijn Dashorst a écrit : > On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:18 PM, Roger Schildmeijer > wrote: >> The AWF community has voted to retire the project. >> Following the retirement guide [1], I now call the Incubator PMC to >> vote on confirming this decision. (Will be open for 72 hours). > As a drive-by interested party in the incubator (with a couple of > mentored podlings) I noticed something that struck me as a bit off. > > I just looked through the archives to see what was happening as AWF > has been in the incubator for not too long and I couldn't find the > vote to retire the project you mentioned. > > I noticed that you did not undertake a formal vote but rather relied > on a note as a reply for a board report notification [1]. While the > mentors did acknowledge a +1 for retirement, I think retirement of > your development effort should not be discussed under the rug. The rug is pretty thin here :) > > A subject "Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Jul 2012 ([ppmc])" > sounds a lot less noticeable than "[DISCUSS] Retire AWC" or "[DISCUSS] > No future for AWC development". > > In any case if the project really is dead in the water I would not > expect a discussion from my proposed headlines as well, but that would > at least have given lurking community members "to speak up now". Last time we discussed about the potential for the project to be dead in march, nobody but Seven expressed the desire to continue the effort. We kept the project going for one more quarter, for Seven to get a chance to catch in, but sadly, he now have no more time... I don't think the projects members will be surprised if we shutdown the project. I do agree, though, that we should have followed the procedure. Hope it clarifies the current decision ! -- Regards, Cordialement, Emmanuel Lécharny www.iktek.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org