From general-return-36805-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Thu Jul 26 21:48:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A6A4CC21 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 21:48:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 17210 invoked by uid 500); 26 Jul 2012 21:48:25 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 17054 invoked by uid 500); 26 Jul 2012 21:48:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 17046 invoked by uid 99); 26 Jul 2012 21:48:25 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 21:48:25 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of bimargulies@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.175 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.220.175] (HELO mail-vc0-f175.google.com) (209.85.220.175) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 21:48:19 +0000 Received: by vcbfy27 with SMTP id fy27so2011904vcb.6 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 14:47:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=t6tkWvz3uYfKnzmZCOluIvKOHk6mI+TTzFbbYaat/Jk=; b=DRcf3CfztbhNZWoFGd+0wpq9vzOnGv4RnZfurtTquhBESl6ZX5Cao7komQC7+jiCMb QbDCkLFe51zW4Z14ZJmGIoCgr1N4gM17VJyTVl1P6uk0K2xbIoAHfywch2yE+GozDfgg uLXZ+ZGpN6jMCe0tIkwQz2Unvw0CZc8CsFFG83E/CejDiHiVzsS/WTqa7md9X9MRu+ku b7tg+9vxo2wFQ2wrwj5fTwz4rAhZP9nekFGjsIkzrn3fzdABcAOOg8+NgRd4tMefUw+H ysXm0kO8NSA5Kr4YU/5gK+2lUy31nyp2RVFgFQPGxjfNjYmVmEwXT4laprx26m933Nlz Dnnw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.16.212 with SMTP id i20mr201480vdd.118.1343339278809; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 14:47:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.59.8.103 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 14:47:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1343338667.29171.140661107102377.5008EBD6@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1343338667.29171.140661107102377.5008EBD6@webmail.messagingengine.com> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 17:47:58 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Incubator release task force From: Benson Margulies To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Upayavira wrote: > Marvin, > > While I (think I) can understand your concern (that it should be the > mentors who are reviewing releases, not yet another group), I'd suggest > that Jukka's approach might be a way to get there. > > The incubator release process is, at the moment, pretty fraught, and I > suspect there are only a handful of people who really get it. I would > posit that one outcome of Jukka's suggestion is a simplified release > process, which is likely to be understandable to a larger number of > mentors, meaning you address your core issue. It seems to me that the goal of this effort is to make it easier for podlings to produce appropriate releases, regardless of who reviews them. > > Just a thought. > > Upayavira > > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012, at 04:48 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Jukka Zitting >> wrote: >> >> > For example, our current release guide [1] is the result >> > of quite a bit of work, but without a clear vision accompanied with a >> > process of incremental improvements it's become a mess that few people >> > read, let alone understand. >> >> I am interested in this task. >> >> > In concrete terms I'd like the task force to 1) be the first port of call >> > for podlings who're failing to get enough +1s from their mentors >> >> Please exclude me from this group[1]. >> >> Marvin Humphrey >> >> [1] I believe the approach is misguided, but don't wish to rehash the >> arguments, >> thereby delaying potential incremental progress on other fronts. >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org