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From Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
Subject Re: Shepherd for EasyAnt
Date Fri, 06 Jul 2012 16:51:47 GMT

On Jul 6, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Matt Benson wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2wave@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> On Jul 5, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Nicolas Lalevée wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Le 5 juil. 2012 à 06:35, Stefan Bodewig a écrit :
>>> 
>>>> On 2012-07-04, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 3, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Nicolas Lalevée wrote:
>>>>>> Le 3 juil. 2012 à 19:00, Jukka Zitting a écrit :
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Nicolas Lalevée
>>>>>>> <nicolas.lalevee@hibnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The primary target for Easyant will be being a subproject
of Ant.
>>>> 
>>>> This may be EasyAnt's goal, I'm not entirely sure it matches Ant's goal.
>>>> 
>>>> At one point in time every project entering incubation had to be
>>>> sponsored by an existing TLP or the board and it didn't imply the
>>>> podling would graduate to the existing TLP at all.  The "you need a
>>>> sponsoring TLP" notion seems to have gone now.  By the time EasyAnt
>>>> entered incubation Ant became the sponsoring TLP so there was one, not
>>>> because Ant was comitted to accept it as a sub-project IIRC.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not saying Ant would reject it, but it is not a no-brainer either.
>>>> This part of the discussion should be held on dev@ant 8-)
>>> 
>>> I guess I'm the one who just misunderstood the Ant sponsoring thing.
>>> Let's to it properly yes. Let's start asking to EasyAnt dev first.
>> 
>> Since Apache Ivy and Apache IvyDE are sub-projects of Apache Ant there is some sense
in EasyAnt having a place in the Apache Ant project. I see that dev@ant did VOTE for sponsorship
on a thread that you started [1], but I did not see a lot of discussion about what made sense
to the Apache Ant community.
>> 
>> A few months earlier you pushed for the donation of Bushel into Ivy [2] which was
done.
>> 
>> I see that EasyAnt has an old Google Group ML and this thread describes the process
from the EasyAnt community's perspective. [3]
>> 
>> There is mention of Apache Ivy in the incubator four years prior, and we know it
ended up within the Apache Ant project.
> 
> Surely you're not suggesting that because Ant has *once* (A) sponsored
> a podling's incubation and (B) subsequently adopted that podling as a
> subproject that it is bound to do B for *every* A?

Ant is certainly not bound to do it. That is their choice. I do think it is a logical fit,
but that's not the same.

I do think that when a TLP sponsors a podling that it should consider whether graduation to
that PMC is or is not a goal of Incubation. I think that would help the IPMC better mentor
the podling. I've read some of EasyAnt's private archives and better understand what happened.

I would certainly give EasyAnt time to negotiate possible outcomes - in no particular order.

(1) Return to being a project outside of the ASF.
(2) Transfer to the Ant PMC.
(3) Reboot the podling.
(4) Retire to the Attic.

Regards,
Dave

> 
> Matt
> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>> [1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ant-dev/201101.mbox/%3C3A73C5DA-E4A2-4CB6-8423-0A985246FA8E%40hibnet.org%3E
>> [2] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ant-dev/201010.mbox/%3CB53D948C-5DA9-48D8-B81D-2F8C44DBA969@hibnet.org%3E
>> [3] https://groups.google.com/group/easyant/browse_thread/thread/a8a87867cb42a5a5
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Nicolas
>>> 
>>> 
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