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Hi -
On Jun 23, 2012, at 8:31 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:

> Hi Nick,
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> I'm top posting because it is clear to me what is happening here:
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> (1) The Title of the AOO blog is "Apache OpenOffice (Incubating)"
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> (2) The Title of various blog entries includes the phrase "Apache =
OpenOffice", but not the phrase "Apache OpenOffice (incubating)".
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> I have the karma and will fix these blog entry titles except for the =
Japanese one, but I'm going to wait 24 hours.

Wearing my IPMC and PPMC hats. I've changed blog entry titles. Sorry for =
our oversight (or lack). Thanks for yours.

Regards,
Dave


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> Regards,
> Dave
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> On Jun 23, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
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>> @Nick,
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>> Ross offered to come to the AOOi PPMC to fix it.  I'm not clear what =
the PPMC has to do with it.
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>> Specifically, @TheASF is not of AOOi PPMC origin.  The question is, =
who is expected to do something about that and how is it to be =
communicated to them?  Someone else is responsible for those tweets and =
their aggregation on the ASF home page.
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>> Also, you refer to a blog post by Rob Weir on his own site.  It is =
true that Rob Weir is a member of the AOOi PPMC, but that blog site is =
not a product of the AOOi PPMC and its aggregation into Roller is no =
different than the aggregation of any Apache committer posts that a =
committer arranges to include in the feed picked-up by Roller.  (I =
believe the PPMC did authorize that "Get it Here" image and link to be =
used by sites that wanted to promote the availability of the software.  =
If there should have been greater formality before doing that, there are =
places to raise that specific problem.)
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>> My concern is how to determine what the infractions are that someone =
can do something about and also being clear who that someone is expected =
to be.  The general claim just has us running around like headless =
chickens over on ooo-dev.
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>> - Dennis
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>> PS: I'm now in time-penalty and will check back anon.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nick Kew [mailto:niq@apache.org]=20
>> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 11:38
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: References to "Apache OpenOffice"
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>> On 23 Jun 2012, at 18:48, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
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>>> Nick, the AOOi project does not write those tweets from @TheASF and =
they are not under AOOi control. =20
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>>> Are these and blog text occurrences the ones that attracted your =
attention or are there others?
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>>> If you follow the links to the referenced blog posts you will see =
that the full term is used in the blog title.   E.g., =
<https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/5_million_downloads_of_apache>.
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>> So what appears on www.apache.org doesn't matter?
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>> Nor what appears on planet.apache.org, featuring the article that =
first struck me
>> as using the name in a way I wouldn't expect when I read it in my =
feed reader:
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http://www.robweir.com/blog/2012/06/pache-openoffice-34-downloads.html
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>>> Would it have been sufficient to add it in the title of the =
individual post, and in the first mention in the opening paragraph?
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>> I should think so, but that's just me!
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>>> How many times do you require that the qualifier be used to satisfy =
the requirement for identifying incubation as the origin of a release, =
an announcement, etc?
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>> If the guidelines are unclear then maybe they need reviewing?
>> I was just pointing out usage that seems at odds with my =
understanding
>> of the incubator rules.
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>> If a blog gets aggregated, then readers will see what appears in =
their
>> aggregator, as I did.  That's without the context of the page title =
in your link!
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>> --=20
>> Nick Kew
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