From general-return-36161-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Fri Jun 8 17:29:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 601AC9952 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 17:29:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 68457 invoked by uid 500); 8 Jun 2012 17:28:58 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 68250 invoked by uid 500); 8 Jun 2012 17:28:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 68235 invoked by uid 99); 8 Jun 2012 17:28:58 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 17:28:58 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of aharui@adobe.com designates 64.18.1.39 as permitted sender) Received: from [64.18.1.39] (HELO exprod6og117.obsmtp.com) (64.18.1.39) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 17:28:50 +0000 Received: from outbound-smtp-1.corp.adobe.com ([192.150.11.134]) by exprod6ob117.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKT9I2O16mXXnM1dr/yas6T9anbvTBJzWM@postini.com; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 10:28:29 PDT Received: from inner-relay-4.eur.adobe.com (inner-relay-4.adobe.com [193.104.215.14]) by outbound-smtp-1.corp.adobe.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id q58HQAJ0015427; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 10:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nahub02.corp.adobe.com (nahub02.corp.adobe.com [10.8.189.98]) by inner-relay-4.eur.adobe.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id q58HSOYr023499; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 10:28:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from NAMBX02.corp.adobe.com ([10.8.127.96]) by nahub02.corp.adobe.com ([10.8.189.98]) with mapi; Fri, 8 Jun 2012 10:28:23 -0700 From: Alex Harui To: "general@incubator.apache.org" CC: "flex-dev@incubator.apache.org" Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 10:28:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [MENTORS] Third Party source Thread-Topic: [MENTORS] Third Party source Thread-Index: Ac1FkNtpooHeiPhdQfi6oAb7c+x/HAACz2Tm Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-Entourage/13.11.0.110726 acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 On 6/8/12 9:07 AM, "Sam Ruby" wrote: > On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Kalle Korhonen > wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 11:06 PM, Roy T. Fielding wro= te: >>> I fear we are miscommunicating again. >>> Only the copyright owner is allowed to (re)move copyright notices >>> or permit others to (re)move them on the owner's behalf. >>=20 >> Interesting, why is that? Is it so by the law? >=20 > It would be helpful if somebody could point out the actual words in > the copyright headers being discussed. I may have missed it. I will describe the situation in more detail below. >=20 > In this case, Adobe isn't hard to reach here. We should seek their > opinion, and respect it. Adobe legal's opinion will be included in the detail below. >=20 > If Adobe wishes us to retain the headers, my opinion is that we should > evaluate the impact that such a request will have on the community, > and either follow their request or decline the contribution. >=20 > If Adobe collectively takes the time to understand our position and > agrees to moving it, there are a number of ways that this can be > expressed clearly. I still maintain that having an Adobe employee do > such a move would be the simplest and clearest way, but other ways are > possible too. Here is a more detailed description of the situation: An individual starts a company and writes some code. Macromedia acquires that individual and the code. Each source file has a header: /* * Written by Individual * Copyright (c) 1998-2003 Individual's Company * All rights reserved. */ Adobe acquires Macromedia. The code is incorporated into a larger product via Macromedia and Adobe engineers. New files in the larger product have Adobe copyrights, but the acquired code must retain the original copyrights according to Adobe Legal. The individual leaves Adobe. Adobe wishes to donate the code to Apache. The individual's agreement upon acquisition allows Adobe to donate such cod= e and it is donated via a software grant. Adobe Legal says that Adobe engineers can replace the Adobe copyrights with Apache headers, but Adobe engineers still do not have the right to replace the individual's copyrights in the other files, and [1] says that Apache folks should not either. So, this is not really an Adobe issue. Adobe does not own the copyright to the files in question and therefore cannot agree to moving it, but Adobe di= d have permission to donate the code. The individual involved is willing to allow the copyright to be moved, and we asked here to find out how formal the permission referred to in [1] must be. [1] http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html --=20 Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org