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Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 01:06:18 +0200
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Subject: Re: Shepherds for podling reports
From: Mohammad Nour El-Din <nour.mohammad@gmail.com>
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Hi Alan...

On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com>wrote:

> Thanks for replying with a thoughtful response.
>
> Jukka put forth the idea of shepherds as a proposal.  I was merely
> replying to that proposal with my own considered ideas.
>
> I am encouraged about the enthusiasm but I feel that it blurs the
> responsibility of the mentor.  Shepherding the shepherds of a podling, i.e.
> mentors, seems to me like the wrong way to go.  It does add process.  If
> one carefully re-reads posts to this thread there's all sorts of extra
> complexity being considered such as groupings of podlings and clearly
> defining the rules for cross-cutting projects, etc.  Not that this is
> what's going to finally be adopted.
>
> Incubation is confusing enough as it is.
>
> Sprinkling more process, roles, and bureaucracy is not the solution to, my
> mind, mentors who need to be politely pinged.  This is just my humble
> opinion.
>
> With that said, the shepherds have my sincere best wishes and I am happy
> to cooperate for those podlings where I am mentor.
>
> Thanks again for your kind reply.
>

You still have a point, but lets give it a try and adjust the idea along
the way :), maybe come up with another idea if this didn't work out


>
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
>
> On May 5, 2012, at 1:04 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote:
>
> > Hi Alan
> >
> >  For sure your point may be valid, but the whole point, if you read the
> > whole thread from the beginning, which I am sure you did, you will notice
> > that Jukka mentioned that this is a start and will assess the effort and
> > the whole plan after giving it sometime.
> >
> > And actually having other people looking into reports, from one side that
> > will help mentors and from the other side it is as mentioned by Alex a
> > fresh eye, who can poke around and ask questions or even provide more
> help.
> >
> > On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On May 5, 2012, at 11:07 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> >>
> >>> If you don't want to be a Shepherd, don't sign up.
> >>
> >> Yeah, I get that part.
> >>
> >>> The board asked us
> >>> to do a better job of reviewing reports and detecting mentor
> >>> deficiencies.
> >>
> >> I get that too.
> >>
> >>> This is a plan to accomplish that.
> >>
> >> My opinion about the plan stands.
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Alan
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >
> > --
> > Thanks
> > - Mohammad Nour
> > ----
> > "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
> moving"
> > - Albert Einstein
>
>


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Thanks
- Mohammad Nour
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"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving"
- Albert Einstein

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