Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 750B3C44D for ; Thu, 24 May 2012 06:44:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 20700 invoked by uid 500); 24 May 2012 06:44:43 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 20375 invoked by uid 500); 24 May 2012 06:44:43 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 20362 invoked by uid 99); 24 May 2012 06:44:43 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 24 May 2012 06:44:43 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [209.85.210.47] (HELO mail-pz0-f47.google.com) (209.85.210.47) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 24 May 2012 06:44:36 +0000 Received: by dalh21 with SMTP id h21so9858580dal.6 for ; Wed, 23 May 2012 23:44:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=uHo2QiatTLGWffNFbrG30JoHfipNKqPvsc3ExF0GYFg=; b=h/5cj6iahvitaQnS7loDFyJkyC3IZsUTTLLkBH0oDaZhAQO5zOceNEZkU5c7YvnKkx Ad5PJhTdlxwr7vKr5PDqJk3o+yG+fl8aZ7ILLssn+a0S8eoEePXMLPUiWmkFEa0gzRQB RZjOHYdIB5kTnoeP31418Jj9SL9qmQT9xZFw3eplL6YfG7PKoPVGVPeY26fbJZZCYKvF +EU1sB3JlJ4nO+e/U1ueWvAb0POXU90h5CFwAnyt50ndosNC/uZ8WRfe+av5rYElicvf D2NrYjrh5ph+QYmOhSAzJRvwcERZhlpIs2FRD8PX/+NehHPF2b2YIb72zIdS9TAVqXSj isxA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.227.227 with SMTP id sd3mr18233861pbc.53.1337841856071; Wed, 23 May 2012 23:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.171.1 with HTTP; Wed, 23 May 2012 23:44:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [99.46.94.139] In-Reply-To: <13513D2B-1E4F-49C3-8CC6-82E69A2F821C@dslextreme.com> References: <13513D2B-1E4F-49C3-8CC6-82E69A2F821C@dslextreme.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 23:44:16 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Flume Graduation (was Re: June reports in two weeks) From: Marvin Humphrey To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl2RYa20Q8npPk4AKp146JWLcRmNBD6RAZpx5TY48JCDFnpspvhSZo94Mo0EJ/qJwD2L/gD X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Ralph Goers wrote: > I'm just saying I find it difficult to participate with that style and that > simply makes me wonder if that is making it harder to attract new > committers. I suspect it attracts some and drives away others. I frikkin' hate JIRA notifications. The emails suck, so newcomers are forced to learn JIRA's interface before they can participate fully in the dev conversation. To me that seems like it raises a barrier to entry -- but then, there are numerous projects around the ASF who are not hurting for contributors and who use JIRA for *everything* -- starting with Hadoop and Lucene. If you don't want JIRA-centric development, it can be curtailed by sending notifications to a dedicated "issues" list instead of the dev list. However, I would not necessarily recommend that to a new podling, as I can't tell where my own biases end and I don't want to start a phpBB^H^H^H^H^HJIRA vs email flame war. -- Marvin Humphrey, who in moments of weakness fantasizes about the day when Infra can no longer keep the massive ASF JIRA instance from toppling over and all the Java projects whose participation in Infra is limited to complaining when stuff goes offline come crying. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org