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From Arvind Prabhakar <arv...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Flume Graduation (was Re: June reports in two weeks)
Date Fri, 25 May 2012 09:46:48 GMT
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com>wrote:

>
> On May 24, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Arvind Prabhakar wrote:
> >
> > There are four companies represented in this list: AVG Technologies,
> > Cloudera, CyberAgent and Trend Micro. Compared to other projects that
> have
> > successfully graduated from Incubator in the past, this meets the
> diversity
> > requirements very well.
>
> I was mistaken and the list above is indeed correct.  For some reason I
> thought a couple of them had become Cloudera employees.
>
> However, none of those three are currently on the PPMC.  When you look at
> the PPMC list you should also include a few more Cloudera people who do
> participate in release votes and PPMC issues. Most, if not all, of the
> non-Cloudera PMC members don't.
>

Back in October of 2011 the PPMC discussed and decided to use the process
where new committers are not automatically added to PPMC. We have since
followed this process and added one committer to the PPMC recently.

The current PPMC consists of:

* Andrew Bayer (Cloudera)
* Ahmed Radwan (Cloudera)
* Arvind Prabhakar(Cloudera)
* Bruce Mitchener (Independent)
* Derek Deeter (Intuit)
* Eric Sammer (Cloudera)
* Henry Robinson (Cloudera)
* Jonathan Hsieh (Cloudera)
* Aaron Kimball (Odiago)
* Ralph Goers (Intuit)

There is a representation of at least four companies in this list. This,
plus the the fact that we have demonstrated our commitment to the policies
that we set forth, give me the confidence that we are on the right track.
Diversity is a priority and will continue to be post graduation.

Arvind


>
>
>
> >
> >
> >>
> >> In any case - I'm not insisting that the way the project is run needs to
> >> change. I'm simply saying I cannot support graduation with the current
> >> makeup of the committers and PMC. I don't have a hard and fast ratio -
> >> gaining 10 new unaffiliated committers who don't do much isn't nearly as
> >> good as 2 or 3 who are very active.  Ultimately the project needs to
> figure
> >> out how to solve this.
> >>
> >
> > Stating that some committers "who don't do much isn't nearly as good as 2
> > or 3 who are very active" is an unfair characterization. This is more
> > unfair for those who are part of the project but have not been active
> > lately due to whatever reasons, but have played a foundational role in
> > getting the project to a point where it is today. I think they are as
> > important as any other committer who may be very active at the moment.
> > Merit once earned, never expires [1].
> >
> > [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/committers.html#committer-set-term
>
> I think you misunderstood my point or I didn't state it very well.
>  Diversity isn't achieved simply by having bodies.  IOW I am not suggesting
> offering commit rights to people who haven't earned it just to meet some
> ratio.  However, I am not suggesting the project has ever even considered
> doing that.
>
> Ralph
>
>
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