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From Marvin Humphrey <mar...@rectangular.com>
Subject Re: JIRA and communities
Date Fri, 25 May 2012 18:23:16 GMT
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't claim that JIRA helps, but I also don't accept the proposition
> that JIRA hurts.

I claim it does both.

> I think that we should focus on the community, not the tools. The
> JIRA-oriented projects I follow have JIRA set to send all new issues,
> and all new comments, to the dev list. So all community members, and,
> in particular, all PMC members with a duty to supervise, see all the
> traffic.

I'm *really* interested in ongoing Lucene development, but I can't take
following the Lucene dev list via email any more.  The signal-to-noise ratio
is horrible.

    Joe Sixpack updated LUCENE-1040
    Joe Sixpack updated LUCENE-1040
    Joe Sixpack updated LUCENE-1040
    Joe Sixpack updated LUCENE-1040
    Joe Sixpack updated LUCENE-1040
    Joe Sixpack updated LUCENE-1040
    Joe Sixpack updated LUCENE-1040
    Joe Sixpack updated LUCENE-1040
    Joe Sixpack reassigned LUCENE-1040
    Hans Wijnkuhler edited comment on LUCENE-1984 at 11/11/11 11:11 PM:
    Hans Wijnkuhler edited comment on LUCENE-1984 at 11/11/11 11:12 PM:
    Hans Wijnkuhler edited comment on LUCENE-1984 at 11/11/11 11:13 PM:
    Hans Wijnkuhler edited comment on LUCENE-1984 at 11/11/11 11:14 PM:
    Hans Wijnkuhler edited comment on LUCENE-1984 at 11/11/11 11:15 PM:
    Hans Wijnkuhler edited comment on LUCENE-1984 at 11/11/11 11:16 PM:
    Hans Wijnkuhler edited comment on LUCENE-1984 at 11/11/11 11:17 PM:
    V. de Gin created LUCENE-5150
    V. de Gin updated LUCENE-5150
    V. de Gin updated LUCENE-5150
    V. de Gin updated LUCENE-5150
    V. de Gin updated LUCENE-5150
    V. de Gin updated LUCENE-5150
    V. de Gin updated LUCENE-5150
    V. de Gin updated LUCENE-5150
    Joe Sixpack reassigned LUCENE-5150
    Joe Sixpack updated LUCENE-5150

It's a daily tsunami of trivia, redundant quotes, bloated diffs and butchered
titles.  (And then there are the dozens of Jenkins failure notifications, but
I've figured out how to filter those.)

For what it's worth, I recently considered exploring Apache Avro (the C
implementation interests me), but the Avro dev list is similarly impenetrable
and I gave up.  Maybe I'll try again later...

JIRA has its strengths, but its integration into mailing-list style
development leaves much to be desired.

> So, I won't claim that your disfunction scenario is impossible or
> never observed at the ASF. I will point out that bugzilla could be
> used just as effectively to create the same problem.

Sure.  In a similar vein, there has been discussion about tighter integration
with Github.  We've been sending GitHub pull request notifications to ASF dev
lists for a while now, and there's talk of mirroring pull request comments as
well.  If we handle the integration of Github comments as poorly as JIRA
notifications, the potential exists to force new users to to learn Github's
API in order to participate fully.

Marvin Humphrey

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